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When you put it THAT way...
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/...ry-of-911.html
Thursday, September 9, 2010
The Anniversary of 9/11
Don't want to hear this?
Tough. Grow up.
9/11 Commissioners:
- The 9/11 Commission's co-chairs said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements (free subscription required)
- 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue
- 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"
- 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up"
- 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." He also said that the investigation depended too heavily on the accounts of Al Qaeda detainees who were physically coerced into talking
If even the 9/11 Commissioners don't buy the official story, why do you?
- And the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) - who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry - recently said "At some level of the government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened". He also said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true." And he said: "It's almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at the FAA's New York center the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened"
Senior intelligence officers:
- Former military analyst and famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg said that the case of a certain 9/11 whistleblower is "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers". He also said that the government is ordering the media to cover up her allegations about 9/11. And he said that some of the claims concerning government involvement in 9/11 are credible, that "very serious questions have been raised about what they [U.S. government officials] knew beforehand and how much involvement there might have been", that engineering 9/11 would not be humanly or psychologically beyond the scope of the current administration, and that there's enough evidence to justify a new, "hard-hitting" investigation into 9/11 with subpoenas and testimony taken under oath (see this and this)
- A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”
- A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe (and see this)
- A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored)
- A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called "perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that "the evidence points at" 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job
If even our country's top intelligence officers don't buy the official story, why do you?
- The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 - 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said "The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup"
Congressmen:
- According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (confirmed here)
- Current Democratic U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy said "The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?"
- Current Republican Congressman Ron Paul calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that "we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on"
- Current Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich hints that we aren't being told the truth about 9/11
- Current Republican Congressman Jason Chafetz says that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11
- Former Democratic Senator Mike Gravel states that he supports a new 9/11 investigation and that we don't know the truth about 9/11
- Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chaffee endorses a new 9/11 investigation
- Former U.S. Democratic Congressman Dan Hamburg doesn't believe the official version of events
If there is bipartisan questioning of the official story, why aren't you questioning it?
- Former U.S. Republican Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee Curt Weldon has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9/11 was an inside job
Other government officials:
- U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said "We've never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I've seen that for a long time"
- Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who's who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11
- Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) says "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence"
- The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility
- Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is "the dog that doesn't hunt"
If top government officials are skeptical, why aren't you?
- The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission
Numerous other politicians, judges, legal scholars, and attorneys also question at least some aspects of the government's version of 9/11.
When you put it THAT way...
the faith-in-Bush-Crowd doesn't want to hear any of this because it doesn't fit into their nice little comprehension package...
Interesting....If NORAD wasn't tracking AA Flight 11, as it thought, what plane was it tracking?For more than two years after the attacks, officials with NORAD and the FAA provided inaccurate information about the response to the hijackings in testimony and media appearances. Authorities suggested that U.S. air defenses had reacted quickly, that jets had been scrambled in response to the last two hijackings and that fighters were prepared to shoot down United Airlines Flight 93 if it threatened Washington.
In fact, the commission reported a year later, audiotapes from NORAD's Northeast headquarters and other evidence showed clearly that the military never had any of the hijacked airliners in its sights and at one point chased a phantom aircraft -- American Airlines Flight 11 -- long after it had crashed into the World Trade Center.
Great.
Let us know what you think really happened that day and we'll talk.
Chump, on this issue you consistently miss the boat.
None of us know what really happened and the 9-11 report is nothing more than an offical cover up effort, thats why we need a new investigation. Its that damn simple.
Covering up what?
That's where you consistently miss the boat. Since the other information has already come out where people can point to the errors in the report, the information is already out there. It's that damn simple.
Then lets take this one step further: People lied. Until you grill people making those lies, the truth will never be told. There was no grilling. No cross examination. The company line was bought lock stock and barrel. And now the members of the panel are admitting this.
And to refuse to do so is propogating the cover up. Of what Chump asks? Of lies...it's that simple. No one knows what's on the other side of that door, till we open it and step inside.
And as much as you feel satisfied following your research on this matter, the American people shouldn't all have to conduct independent research to find out their own individual version of the truth. The truth should be on record. And its not. You claim it is in the rebuttals that have come out since. Well, are those rebuttals on public record? If not...do over.
They admitted it a long time ago. Quote mining eight years later is just silly.
The door has already been stepped into.And to refuse to do so is propogating the cover up. Of what Chump asks? Of lies...it's that simple. No one knows what's on the other side of that door, till we open it and step inside.
The evidence is a matter of public record. It hasn't been tied up in a bow for you, so you can act like it doesn't exist. You're simply lazy.And as much as you feel satisfied following your research on this matter, the American people shouldn't all have to conduct independent research to find out their own individual version of the truth. The truth should be on record. And its not. You claim it is in the rebuttals that have come out since. Well, are those rebuttals on public record? If not...do over.
Has the 9-11 report been retracted?
No. But most of the information that has been disputed has been known for years and years. Most of the bad information came from bureaucratic ass covering. If some whistleblower had some kind of confirmation of whatever conspiracy nontheory people have dreamed up, it would have come out already.
If we know the committee was lied to, thats enough. The theory doesnt need to be hatched and proven before we reopen. The American public doesnt have to "know" what it doesn't and couldn't "know" before a true independent investigation. Thats amamie.
Did they even conduct an independent investigation in the first place? If so, how was it subject to bureaucratic ass covering?
And why is it that you are supporting keeping the public in the dark? Do they not deserve to have liars and Bush admin bureaucratic ass covering officials grilled? Doesn't the loss suffered warrant as much?
But they already know.
And really, define "true independent investigation."
If you think the commission was the only investigation into 9/11, you are a fool.Did they even conduct an independent investigation in the first place? If so, how was it subject to bureaucratic ass covering?
The only people in the dark are those who choose to remain so and expect to be spoon fed an investigation that will please them.And why is it that you are supporting keeping the public in the dark? Do they not deserve to have liars and Bush admin bureaucratic ass covering officials grilled? Doesn't the loss suffered warrant as much?
You don't understand the value and purpose of:
1. getting a definitive version on the record with everything we know.
2. cross-examining and prosecuting those that lie to our govt officials
3. setting the record straight and closing the book for not only our generation but future ones as well.
You don't understand the value and purpose of getting off your lazy ass and reading a few do ents.
You prefer to that someone doesn't do it for you.
The biggest event in our country's modern history and you want everyone to determine their own conclusions?
You understand how history sweeps away everything thats not in that report right? You understand that for those lying about the events, thats exactly what they would prefer right?
You're just having an off day sir.
You would prefer everyone accept everything that is spoon fed to them?The biggest event in our country's modern history and you want everyone to determine their own conclusions?
The actual information is already out there, and history is rarely taught from original do ents or a single do ent.You understand how history sweeps away everything thats not in that report right? You understand that for those lying about the events, thats exactly what they would prefer right?
You're just lazy, sir.You're just having an off day sir.
You lose this one all day... fair and square, Chump. You're smarter than to think you win on these points.
You make yourself lose because you are too lazy to do anything. You prefer idle ing.
It's not fair because I got off my ass and you didn't. Sorry.
here is the truth.
planes hit the pentagon and the twin towers.
....isn't that all you ing need to know?
Oh ing brother... not this stupid again.
Dreaming up these goddamned conspiracies is a surefire sign that you need to get a life.
Is that all you know?
Again you're personalizing this to me and you, and you fail to see the big picture. Avg. Joline the plumber and Maxx the retail assistant don't have time for research. And they shouldn't have to. The govt should have it's feet held to the fire to 1. find the whole truth, 2. tell it, and 3. prosecute liars from the Bush admin.
Not to tell my ass what happened, but to preserve our democratic way of life.
You miss this point consistently.
Its not that the govt necessarily committed the acts, or allowed it to happen, but people in the admin did lie. Heads should roll.
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