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    Types of Attacks
    Most attacks in 2009 were perpetrated by terrorists applying conventional methods such as armed attacks, bombings, and kidnappings. Drawing on the lessons learned from the Mumbai attack in 2008, Sunni extremist elements used suicidal militia style attacks in numerous large scale attacks in 2009. Terrorists continued their practice of coordinated attacks that included secondary attacks on first responders at attack sites; they also continued to reconfigure weapons and other materials to create improvised explosive devices, and used women and children to evade security counter-measures.

    • Suicide attacks declined from 405 in 2008 to 299 in 2009. This was largely due to declining violence in Iraq. A total of 13 countries experienced suicide attacks in 2009. The country with highest number of suicide bombings was Afghanistan with 99, followed by Pakistan with 84, and Iraq with 82.
    • Attacks in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan accounted for about 60 percent of all terrorist attacks.
    • Al-Qa’ida in Iraq used dual suicide bombers to target the residence of an anti-terrorism police official and first responders and on-lookers, killing 12 police officers, 24 civilians, and wounding 83 civilians and children.
    • Attacks by female suicide bombers declined significantly from 2008, accounting for only seven of the 299 total suicide attacks. Three of these attacks occurred in Iraq, two in Sri Lanka, and two in Russia.
    • In Thailand, Muslim separatists used a woman and child to park VBIEDs in an effort to avoid su ion and security procedures.
    WRT the bolded, what's the common thread?

    http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/crt/2009/140902.htm

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    Am I the only one who finds irony in quoting Lincoln's: "Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves" as a reason to deny
    the freedom to build a mosque near ground zero?

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    Sure. The targeting of innocents deserves to be mentioned in connection with preying on people's goodness/confidence in others.

    But is the willingness to die as such an aggravating cir stance?

    If so, how so?
    I guess the targeting of innocents, and the willingness to die, are separate factors. Both seem creepy to me, and to me, have a synergistic effect in combination, working well to weird me out.

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    Yeah. I think someone mentioned that upstream. Pretty rich.

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    Eh, that's just talking about terrorist attacks in general. Totally understand those; just wondering about the specific "suicide bomber" subset. From your link:

    Suicide attacks declined from 405 in 2008 to 299 in 2009. This was largely due to declining violence in Iraq. A total of 13 countries experienced suicide attacks in 2009. The country with highest number of suicide bombings was Afghanistan with 99, followed by Pakistan with 84, and Iraq with 82.
    I'm wondering why suicide attacks are so prevalent in these areas, and if we could isolate a few factors, or whether they all must work in conjunction to motivate these people.

    Also, I don't believe in a , but I wish there were one for whoever thought up and/or use the "use a small bomb to attract first responders, than a big bomb to blow up the first responders" method.

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    You're full of .

    You're more concerned about ridicule than addressing his point.

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    I agree, being butthurt about losing mod position gives me the lulz too.

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    I'm wondering why suicide attacks are so prevalent in these areas, and if we could isolate a few factors, or whether they all must work in conjunction to motivate these people.
    I think it's cultural, as in how the society in any given place at a particular time perceives suicidal martyrdom vs capture/defeat/shame. It's really not much different than the Bushido code that ingrained deeply the Japanese army in WW2 and led to Kamikaze attacks back then (and had nothing to do with Islam, obviously).

    Ultimately, be it through abstract concepts such as honor or religion, you can always brain wash gullible people into doing stupid things. I think the society around them in general simply applies more peer pressure.

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    I agree, being butthurt about losing mod position gives me the lulz too.
    You're full of .

    You're more concerned about ridicule than addressing his point.

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    I think it's cultural, as in how the society in any given place at a particular time perceives suicidal martyrdom vs capture/defeat/shame. It's really not much different than the Bushido code that ingrained deeply the Japanese army in WW2 and led to Kamikaze attacks back then (and had nothing to do with Islam, obviously).
    See do entary "Wings of Defeat". Japanese Kamikaze pilots have ZERO in common with Islamic terrorists.


    Ultimately, be it through abstract concepts such as honor or religion, you can always brain wash gullible people into doing stupid things. I think the society around them in general simply applies more peer pressure.
    9/11 pilots were educated people.

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    I have a question. Are republicans the advocates for the so-called New World Order, or One world order, whatever it's called nowadays?? I ask this because they keep citing other countries laws and practices when arguing for how the United States should make our decisions.

    I am a little confused here.

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    See do entary "Wings of Defeat". Japanese Kamikaze pilots have ZERO in common with Islamic terrorists.
    Except that they launched suicide missions against the US.

    9/11 pilots were educated people.
    You have proved time and again a person can be both educated and gullible, DarrinS.

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    See do entary "Wings of Defeat". Japanese Kamikaze pilots have ZERO in common with Islamic terrorists.
    Except committing suicide in furtherance of their goals. I'd say that's something that they have in common.

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    Except committing suicide in furtherance of their goals. I'd say that's something that they have in common.

    I see that both you and chump haven't seen that do entary.



    I also suggest this book.


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    I have a question. Are republicans the advocates for the so-called New World Order, or One world order, whatever it's called nowadays?? I ask this because they keep citing other countries laws and practices when arguing for how the United States should make our decisions.

    I am a little confused here.
    Democrats are the party of moral relativism!

    - signed, Republicans

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    I see that both you and chump haven't seen that do entary.
    Let's make this easy.

    Do you agree/deny that Kamikaze pilots committed suicide in order to further advance their cause/mission?

    Do you agree/deny that suicide bombers commit suicide in order to further advance their cause/mission?

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    I see that both you and chump haven't seen that do entary.



    I also suggest this book.

    Thanks. I have already suggested and quoted this book several times on this board.

    How are they different? Use your words, Darrin.

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    Let's make this easy.

    Do you agree/deny that Kamikaze pilots committed suicide in order to further advance their cause/mission?

    Do you agree/deny that suicide bombers commit suicide in order to further advance their cause/mission?

    One groups mission was to kill as many civilians as possible and to die a martyr. The other, not so much.

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    One groups mission was to kill as many civilians as possible and to die a martyr. The other, not so much.
    Nice dodge.

    Just answer his questions.

    And please don't get us started on the Japanese killing of civilians. You truly do not want to go there.

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    See do entary "Wings of Defeat". Japanese Kamikaze pilots have ZERO in common with Islamic terrorists.
    How so? They committed suicide in furtherance of their cause, because their honor code taught them that it was 'better' to die fighting than surrender and admit defeat. What you see today in radical Islam is pretty similar but with religion and the promised automatic salvation by Allah for those that offer their lives in martyrdom... They're not exactly the same, but they've much more in common than ZERO...

    For example, the Jap society viewed the military code of honor as a revered, heroic quality. Which is not far off from how the more radicalized Islam society sees their suicide bombers these days.

    9/11 pilots were educated people.
    Educated and gullible are not mutually exclusive.

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    One groups mission was to kill as many civilians as possible and to die a martyr. The other, not so much.
    So they have some things in common, not ZERO.

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    One groups mission was to kill as many civilians as possible and to die a martyr. The other, not so much.
    Let's try this again.

    Do you agree/deny that Kamikaze pilots committed suicide in order to further advance their cause/mission?

    Do you agree/deny that suicide bombers commit suicide in order to further advance their cause/mission?

    Thanks.

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    It's ok, i have no point anyway.

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    Chumpdumper being a mental midget and all would equate the Kamikaze pilots with mohammed atta. ing idiot.

    Did Kamikaze pilots target innocent civilians???

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    I don't see what any of this has to do with the American Muslims who would be visiting and praying at the mosque everyone's ing about.

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