Is Manu past his prime?

[ALVAREZ6]

ginobili is not going to be anything but a role player now. he might be a crafty and dangerous role player but a role player nonetheless.

Except he's a star. He is streaky, but he's more than a "role player" for the Spurs and has been more for a while. Role players can be replaced with other role players around the league on any given team. Given Manu's relatively small salary for his contributions, Manu could not be replaced on the Spurs roster by anyone in the league. You would have had to pay double his salary in order to find a player to do that.

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for ginobili, you have to factor in his tendency to get injured when you evaluate him as a player. injuries make him inconsistent as he teeters back and forth into the lineup and injuries will be an unavoidable consequence as long as ginobili plays as he did in the past. if he does not adjust, we will see more bad streaks from him. ginobili was great in the 08 regular season but suffered an injury in the playoffs against the lakers, was largely inconsistent in 09 and suffered a season ending injury, and was too tired/playing with a broken nose in the playoffs last season. it's not going to get any better unless ginobili gives up his regular style of play.

also, i never said ginobili wasn't important to the team and that he was just a role player in the past. i just claimed that ginobili needs to be a role player now so he can be consistent and help the spurs when it matters. no point in pretending that he can still play like he did in his late 20s. spurs should just accept ginobili's decline and hope hill/jefferson/splitter can pick up his scoring load.

[DAF86]

Rookie of the Year???

Who is that reporter in your sig?

[ALVAREZ6]

Who is that reporter in your sig?

Ines Sainz of Mexico's TV Azteca


http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/n...ory?id=5564228

AKA the hottest reporter:

[Ginobilirules]

Stupid post"" truly Manu who is hands down the 2nd best sg still today in the game behind only kobe, and has at least 3 great yrs left in his prime. he's in the middle of his prime dont' fool yourself into thinking otherwise. i've stated this fact many times he is still much better than wade is right now and does things that wade cant do. wade is way over rated and Manu eats wade up most every time they go head to head, GET IT STRAIGHT"

[Lukor]

Stupid post"" truly Manu who is hands down the 2nd best sg still today in the game behind only kobe, and has at least 3 great yrs left in his prime. he's in the middle of his prime dont' fool yourself into thinking otherwise. i've stated this fact many times he is still much better than wade is right now and does things that wade cant do. wade is way over rated and Manu eats wade up most every time they go head to head, GET IT STRAIGHT"

I'd like to have some of your Kool-Aid.

[Ginobilirules]

Of course, he's still good though. Prime Manu would get to the rim everytime he wanted, now he can't.

you are a total idiot and have zero knowledge Manu still gets to the rim whenever he desires and takes over games at will and lately" he's been staying more healthy

[Ginobilirules]

I'd like to have some of your Kool-Aid.

typical uneducated dallas fan" OPEN YOUR EYES

need i say more? Duh? da da da da ll as fa fa fan"

[Ace]

Stupid post"" truly Manu who is hands down the 2nd best sg still today in the game behind only kobe, and has at least 3 great yrs left in his prime. he's in the middle of his prime dont' fool yourself into thinking otherwise. i've stated this fact many times he is still much better than wade is right now and does things that wade cant do. wade is way over rated and Manu eats wade up most every time they go head to head, GET IT STRAIGHT"

Manu better than Wade?

[Ginobilirules]

Where's your response? YOURS. I keep pointing out that when Manu sees Miami on the schedule, he ramps his game up and then what does he do? He outplays Wade. That's all the guy does. I've shown that statistically. It's been done...over and over. So again, where is your response? Saying he is out of his prime would lead many to believe that he doesn't have any serious game. That's a huge mistake. Let's just say that Ginobili has serious game and every time he's faced Miami, he's used it to obliterate DWade and his team. I expect that even in a season where they've picked up pieces that have yet to show us anything but possible potential. You can't carry over LBJ and Bosh's averages over as Alpha dogs of previous teams and just say that's what's going to happen. That's not how this TEAM game works.

If this is all you got, W-Ace, then I've already won and proven my point. What little game you had, went away when you decided to ask Spurs fan for HELP!

amen"" to man in black HE GETS THE FACTS RIGHT"" and haters are always jealous and make baseless weak excuses when they know ginobili rips wade apart and does obliterate him as Manu always gets amped up to destroy wade true fact". ginobilis crossover and over all atheliticism and skills are just better than wades good skills. the media is paying more attention this in recent yrs.

[Ace]

amen"" to man in black HE GETS THE FACTS RIGHT"" and haters are always jealous and make baseless weak excuses when they know ginobili rips wade apart and does obliterate him as Manu always gets amped up to destroy wade true fact". ginobilis crossover and over all atheliticism and skills are just better than wades good skills. the media is paying more attention this in recent yrs.

I must be getting trolled nobody is this dumb.

[Ginobilirules]

Manu better than Wade?

ace we know you're a homer so your lonely weak opinion doesnt even count seriously"". the only joke here is you"". blind idiots like you are infested on these sites how sad'". Manu destroys wade when they go head to head and gets up more him than anybody. also"" Ginobili does skils i've never seen wade be able to do example watch the youtube video for Ginobili walks the great wall of china"" i remember that too well sick"" how Manu literally climbed up with a fierce dunk on yao when both were healthy just two yrs ago and then last yr when Manu went high in the air to sweetly reject a grizzlie player named either oj mayo or rudy gay with a sick block"" that was last yr. NEVER seen wade do that'". and Manu snuffed wade himself a couple times last yr once in miami"" and in sa town too"" both on drive attempts"". sweeeeeeeet"" sIIIIIck'" snuffs eat your heart out ace'" wade has NEVER DONE THAT TO SUPER MANU"" simply amazing

[Ace]

ace we know you're a homer so your lonely weak opinion doesnt even count seriously"". the only joke here is you"". blind idiots like you are infested on these sites how sad'". Manu destroys wade when they go head to head and gets up more him than anybody. also"" Ginobili does skils i've never seen wade be able to do example watch the youtube video for Ginobili walks the great wall of china"" i remember that too well sick"" how Manu literally climbed up with a fierce dunk on yao when both were healthy just two yrs ago and then last yr when Manu went high in the air to sweetly reject a grizzlie player named either oj mayo or rudy gay with a sick block"" that was last yr. NEVER seen wade do that'". and Manu snuffed wade himself a couple times last yr once in miami"" and in sa town too"" both on drive attempts"". sweeeeeeeet"" sIIIIIck'" snuffs eat your heart out ace'" wade has NEVER DONE THAT TO SUPER MANU"" simply amazing

Great troll

You must be Man In Black's brother

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Ines Sainz of Mexico's TV Azteca


http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/n...ory?id=5564228

AKA the hottest reporter:

I heard the story and saw a pint sized picture of her that only showed her face (and not even her entire face, because she was turned to the side). Suffice it to say, that picture didn't do her justice.

I have to say, she deserves what she got. Either for being unprofessional by showing up to a cover a sporting event looking as if it she were going to a club or by being oblivious to the type of attention she'd draw (which I don't buy for a second).

She may not have liked what was allegedly said to her, but she can't honestly be surprised by it. Let's face it, being as attractive as she is and dressing as inappropriately as she did given her job, she was asking for it.

[Dex]

I heard the story and saw a pint sized picture of her that only showed her face (and not even her entire face, because she was turned to the side). Suffice it to say, that picture didn't do her justice.

I have to say, she deserves what she got. Either for being unprofessional by showing up to a cover a sporting event looking as if it she were going to a club or by being oblivious to the type of attention she'd draw (which I don't buy for a second).

She may not have liked what was allegedly said to her, but she can't honestly be surprised by it. Let's face it, being as attractive as she is and dressing as inappropriately as she did given her job, she was asking for it.

This. She wouldn't be the first chick to let her s hang out, then throw a fit when people take notice.

Sure, the behavior of the players is completely unprofessional and uncalled for, but these are some of the most testosterone packed male athletes in the world, not other business professionals. What did she really expect?

[TMTTRIO]

Well Manu may not be in his prime anymore with some loss in athleticism and more injury prone but this video from last season shows he can still be a big contributor and can still bring it. Also he can always be our bat swatter .

[ALVAREZ6]

I heard the story and saw a pint sized picture of her that only showed her face (and not even her entire face, because she was turned to the side). Suffice it to say, that picture didn't do her justice.

I have to say, she deserves what she got. Either for being unprofessional by showing up to a cover a sporting event looking as if it she were going to a club or by being oblivious to the type of attention she'd draw (which I don't buy for a second).

She may not have liked what was allegedly said to her, but she can't honestly be surprised by it. Let's face it, being as attractive as she is and dressing as inappropriately as she did given her job, she was asking for it.

Oh I completely agree, it's the first thing I said. Women are either re ed or just playing people most of the time. She wants attention, no one knew who the she was until last night when she appeared on a main story on ESPN.com

Now all sports fans know who that is, and LOL @ her saying she was embarrassed and harassed, it's exactly what she wanted, LMAO why else do you walk into an NFL locker room dressed like a with a mic in your hand? Might as well have worn nothing, and charged a nice NFL price for post game fests in the bathroom.

[ElNono]

for ginobili, you have to factor in his tendency to get injured when you evaluate him as a player. injuries make him inconsistent as he teeters back and forth into the lineup and injuries will be an unavoidable consequence as long as ginobili plays as he did in the past. if he does not adjust, we will see more bad streaks from him. ginobili was great in the 08 regular season but suffered an injury in the playoffs against the lakers, was largely inconsistent in 09 and suffered a season ending injury, and was too tired/playing with a broken nose in the playoffs last season. it's not going to get any better unless ginobili gives up his regular style of play.

The fact that Manu came into the league in 2002 and the first 'serious' injury you can pin point is in 2008, really tells the story how his 'tendency to get injured' is just really plain silly and overblown.
Manu played 93, 87, 97, 78, 95, 91, 44 and 85 games during his 8 seasons in the league. And the broken nose has nothing to do with any tendencies. He just got elbowed good to the nose, and broke. Could have happened to the healthiest guy. It's a contact sport, so it happens.

I agree that being tired is a factor, that not only applies to him but also to Tim. Unfortunately, with Tony going down for stretches, the other two had to pick it up considering the rest was basically average (perhaps with the exception being Hill). But that's something we've been having to deal with for a while now. Tim needs help inside and we need more people to contribute.
I also thought he played a fine series against the Suns, even if he didn't shoot well in some games. I mean, if you want to pick apart the problems we had in that series, Gino was among the least of the problems. We couldn't win even when he was shooting a high percentage.

[Matches Malone]

I heard the story and saw a pint sized picture of her that only showed her face (and not even her entire face, because she was turned to the side). Suffice it to say, that picture didn't do her justice.

I have to say, she deserves what she got. Either for being unprofessional by showing up to a cover a sporting event looking as if it she were going to a club or by being oblivious to the type of attention she'd draw (which I don't buy for a second).
She may not have liked what was allegedly said to her, but she can't honestly be surprised by it. Let's face it, being as attractive as she is and dressing as inappropriately as she did given her job, she was asking for it.

There is "no deserving" or "being unprofessional" or "she was asking for it" here. If the Jets extended an official press pass to her, which means that she was cleared to enter that locker room and deserved to be addressed with all the decorum and respect that a female reporter demands when she is conducting an interview.

Regarding what she was wearing being inappropriate: Jeans and a white button-downed blouse with boots has never been a club in-fashion garment. Maybe you should leave mom's basement one of these days and check some clubs to get an idea of what people wear today.

By the way, Inez Sainz has more than 250 interviews with the top athletes of almost every sport. Soccer locker room are common stages for her interviews. Does she profit on her former career and attractiveness to get access and conduct these interviews?: YES. Does she deserve the catcalling and testosterone-charged comments?: NO

Oh I completely agree, it's the first thing I said. Women are either re ed or just playing people most of the time. She wants attention, no one knew who the she was until last night when she appeared on a main story on ESPN.com
Now all sports fans know who that is, and LOL @ her saying she was embarrassed and harassed, it's exactly what she wanted, LMAO why else do you walk into an NFL locker room dressed like a with a mic in your hand? Might as well have worn nothing, and charged a nice NFL price for post game fests in the bathroom.

You statement about her wanting attention is probably the only lucid one from your asinine discourse. Obviously, genius, that she wants attention. She is, for God's sake, a blazing-hot, former Miss Spain, nowadays reporter that uses the talents that God gave her to land a list of high-rated interviews that very few people can racked up. This, my troglodyte friend, doesn't equal to be a or a . Maybe, you should finally man up and ask you good old uncle to get you to your town's red zone to check some real s. Not that you would finally get to "do it", but at least to give you some idea of how properly qualify people. Check my prior statement of who she is and what she does.

This is 2010 America, where reporters, women and men alike, are welcome everywhere, including the showers and lockers of NFL players, if they have press passes extended by the club. If any of the players would have the minimum tone of respect and honor, they should have piped up to stop this unfortunate event from developing. If any of them, might have felt "outraged" by her dress-code, they should have contacted the club officials to escort her out of the premises (although she has the press pass credited by the Jets PR department). None of this had happened, these mofos are on the hook, with Jets owner Woody Johnson issuing an apology and telling ESPN that an investigation will be conducted.

Rather that all sports fans knowing who that is, all ST posters knows what kind of sexiest , discriminatory, misogynist person you are (BTW, go and look this last one on the dictionary, you'll love it).

Guys, try to put yourselves in the position of who you are blasting. It would prevent you from looking like fools.
Cheers!

[ohmwrecker]

She is, for God's sake, a blazing-hot, former Miss Spain, nowadays reporter that uses the talents that God gave her to land a list of high-rated interviews that very few people can racked up. This, my troglodyte friend, doesn't equal to be a or a .

She has a fantastic ass, but she's kind of a butterface . . . what does this have to do with Manu?

[Matches Malone]

That Manu is still in his prime and she is a prime piece of woman, I guess.

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There is "no deserving" or "being unprofessional" or "she was asking for it" here. If the Jets extended an official press pass to her, which means that she was cleared to enter that locker room and deserved to be addressed with all the decorum and respect that a female reporter demands when she is conducting an interview.

Regarding what she was wearing being inappropriate: Jeans and a white button-downed blouse with boots has never been a club in-fashion garment. Maybe you should leave mom's basement one of these days and check some clubs to get an idea of what people wear today.

By the way, Inez Sainz has more than 250 interviews with the top athletes of almost every sport. Soccer locker room are common stages for her interviews. Does she profit on her former career and attractiveness to get access and conduct these interviews?: YES. Does she deserve the catcalling and testosterone-charged comments?: NO

Yes, there is. Just because you don't like the outcome of something (though in this case, she clearly did; she's getting exactly what she wanted out of this: publicity), you can't complain about it when you knew going in what it would be. It's like if a fan of a rival team wears their jersey in "enemy territory", then complains that they were cussed at, threatened and had beer thrown on. That's par for the course and one should expect it if they're ignorant enough to do that.

Don't give me this about "she's just wearing everyday clothes and didn't have an agenda". You don't think she knows how her ass looks in those jeans? All you have to do is go to YouTube and type in her name to find out that she's not exactly shy when it comes to showing off her ass...ets. As for the club comment, the gist of it was that it was inappropriate attire for what she was doing, genius.

You're missing the point. She deserves it not for being attractive, but for being all dolled up to go cover a sporting event. Those two things in conjunction, her attractiveness and the way she presented herself, indicates that she was clearly asking for it and had an agenda.

[Mel_13]

she's getting exactly what she wanted out of this: publicity)

Bingo.

[Matches Malone]

Bingo.

So because she is using he "appeal" to get some publicity, in your opinion, she deserved the catcalls and rude comments.

On the other hand, you can see her in several other of her interviews wearing clothing even more provocative that jeans and a blouse, and the targets of her interviews never reacted like that.
Come on!

[Mel_13]

So because she is using he "appeal" to get some publicity, in your opinion, she deserved the catcalls and rude comments.

On the other hand, you can see her in several other of her interviews wearing clothing even more provocative that jeans and a blouse, and the targets of her interviews never reacted like that.
Come on!

My post was one single word which expressed agreement that she wanted, and received, publicity. I did not quote the rest of that post, so your characterization of my opinion has no basis.

I do not believe that she deserved the catcalls and rude comments. She has, however, capitalized on the event as evidenced by her immediate booking on multiple American TV shows to bring attention to herself.