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    It's possible that the jet fuel was (accidentally) dumped before the fight that lead to it crashing to the ground...
    Is it possible that the pilots had knowledge of the first tower and purposely hit the dump switch at the first sign of being taken over?

    Good thought Dan.

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    Remember, these 'pilots' had not flown these types of planes....they trained in single and double prop planes..

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    Remember, these 'pilots' had not flown these types of planes....they trained in single and double prop planes..
    and didn't the passengers overpower them and they were likely not trained on any plane at all.

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    and didn't the passengers overpower them and they were likely not trained on any plane at all.
    According to the open mic during the fight, the passengers never actually took control of the plane...

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    It burned away or evaporated. Just like she said. What's the problem?
    Really?
    According to Jere Longman, "The pungency of unburned jet fuel was so strong that it blistered the lips of investigators." [20]
    So let me see if I get this straight.

    "pungency". Interesting word.
    Affecting the organs of taste or smell with a sharp acrid sensation.

    To smell something, it must, by definition, be gaseous. You cannot "smell" solids, without shoving something physically up your nose.

    We can also safely assume that the investigators weren't putting their lips on the ground.

    Therefore, if a LIQUID, such as jet fuel, was SMELLED, and burned the lips of investigators, some portion of that liquid MUST have evaporated. Generally at earth normal tempuratures and pressures, liquid hydrocarbons, such as jet fuel, have a high volatility (chemical term for tendency to EVAPORATE).

    SO:

    You claim that the "official" explaination that the fuel either burned or EVAPORATED, is ridiculous, then attempt to show how ridiculous it is by introducing a quote that proves that the jet fuel had evaporated and produced a high local gaseous concentration.



    Seriously?

    Stop it man, yer killin' me.
    Last edited by RandomGuy; 09-16-2010 at 07:47 AM.

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    According to the open mic during the fight, the passengers never actually took control of the plane...
    Which means?

    Could a physical scuffle in the confined area of a jet pit possibly involve unintended movement of the flight controls?

    Is it reasonable that a poorly trained pilot bent on suicide and killing, might place a plane in a death dive if that pilot realizes that he is about to lose control of the plane?

    Would such a death dive then product large G-forces that would make it impossible to recover the aircraft, even if control was wrested away?

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    Which means?

    Could a physical scuffle in the confined area of a jet pit possibly involve unintended movement of the flight controls?

    Is it reasonable that a poorly trained pilot bent on suicide and killing, might place a plane in a death dive if that pilot realizes that he is about to lose control of the plane?

    Would such a death dive then product large G-forces that would make it impossible to recover the aircraft, even if control was wrested away?
    I am not sure that NBAdan was trying to argue a point that was counter to mine. I think that he was just correcting my mistake, especially since he was essentially arguing a very similar point just two posts earlier (thanks dan).

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