Is Manu past his prime?

[Matches Malone]

Yes, there is. Just because you don't like the outcome of something (though in this case, she clearly did; she's getting exactly what she wanted out of this: publicity), you can't complain about it when you knew going in what it would be. It's like if a fan of a rival team wears their jersey in "enemy territory", then complains that they were cussed at, threatened and had beer thrown on. That's par for the course and one should expect it if they're ignorant enough to do that.

Don't give me this about "she's just wearing everyday clothes and didn't have an agenda". You don't think she knows how her ass looks in those jeans? All you have to do is go to YouTube and type in her name to find out that she's not exactly shy when it comes to showing off her ass...ets. As for the club comment, the gist of it was that it was inappropriate attire for what she was doing, genius.
You're missing the point. She deserves it not for being attractive, but for being all dolled up to go cover a sporting event. Those two things in conjunction, her attractiveness and the way she presented herself, indicates that she was clearly asking for it and had an agenda.

The Jets PR extended the press pass knowing who she was and what she was wearing. If her attire was good enough for the club's PR, it should have been good enough for the players in that locker room too. Woody Johnson offering an apology pretty much render weightless your argument, right?

[Man In Black]

I see (W)ace doesn't feel like continuing this debate with ME.

Say o to my Hammer, dude.

Bring it. Hey, you know what, I watched that last game where Manu kills Wade over and over again in Miami. He takes 4 guys to the rim and dunks on their heads. Check it, it's at the AAC and was played March 16, 2010. For someone you say is past his prime, he's doing a great job of kicking Miami ass. Almost as good as me in kicking yours.

[Man In Black]

I see (W)ace doesn't feel like continuing this debate with ME.

Say o to my Hammer, dude.

Bring it. Hey, you know what, I watched that last game where Manu kills Wade over and over again in Miami. He takes 4 guys to the rim and dunks on their heads. Check it, it's at the AAC and was played March 16, 2010. For someone you say is past his prime, he's doing a great job of kicking Miami ass. Almost as good as me in kicking yours.

[Ace]

I see (W)ace doesn't feel like continuing this debate with ME.

Say o to my Hammer, dude.

Bring it. Hey, you know what, I watched that last game where Manu kills Wade over and over again in Miami. He takes 4 guys to the rim and dunks on their heads. Check it, it's at the AAC and was played March 16, 2010. For someone you say is past his prime, he's doing a great job of kicking Miami ass. Almost as good as me in kicking yours.

Your arguments for Manu being better than Wade are just so laughable that I no longer take you serious. Your trying to compare the two when then go head to head, but neither are guarding each other majority of the game so its a moot point. All it takes is a look at the season stats and you can see Wade is easily better. You refuse to answer my question but turn around and still say Manu is better. So unless your going to tell me that you would build a franchise around Manu over Wade, we're done.

[Man In Black]

All it takes is a look at the season stats and you can see Wade is easily better. You refuse to answer my question but turn around and still say Manu is better. So unless your going to tell me that you would build a franchise around Manu over Wade, we're done.

C'mon Chicken...Let's do this...Let's BATTLE.
Season stats? Please mother er...season stats my ass. Prove to me Wade is easily better. Ask your questions. I'll shred each and every one. If you got game, then ask. Because up until now, your game has been pretty non-existent. SO I CHALLENGE YOU. ASK, if you dare. But I think you won't, because you ain't down with YET ANOTHER ASS-KICKING.
But then again, you might have something to ACTUALLY bring...(W)ace.

[Man In Black]

Also, why isn't there any video of Wade blocking Ginobili?

[Ace]

C'mon Chicken...Let's do this...Let's BATTLE.
Season stats? Please mother er...season stats my ass. Prove to me Wade is easily better. Ask your questions. I'll shred each and every one. If you got game, then ask. Because up until now, your game has been pretty non-existent. SO I CHALLENGE YOU. ASK, if you dare. But I think you won't, because you ain't down with YET ANOTHER ASS-KICKING.
But then again, you might have something to ACTUALLY bring...(W)ace.

I did and you've yet answer a single one. So answer me this, would you build a team around Manu over Wade? You must be bored.

[Ace]

Also, why isn't there any video of Wade blocking Ginobili?

Is that how you determine the better player?

[Man In Black]

I'd build one around Ginobili. Why not. He's accomplished more than Wade has. Wade's younger but, since the Spurs have a dominant big, and an attacking PG. The system requires a SG with creativity and RANGE. Wade makes less 3 pointers and shoot's a lower 3FG%. So, in the Spurs case, they already have the best SG for them.
Wade has 246 3's made at a 3fg% of 28.9%. Look it up. I didn't make that up.
Ginobili has 804 3's made at a 3fg% of 37.6%.

In the playoffs, it's like this:
Wade has 51 3's made at a 3fg% of 34.7%
Ginobili has 190 3's made at a 3fg% of 37.5%
That's now 2 times Ginobili has Wade beat at a critical stat.

Let's assume that they are exactly the same age. If that's the case, it's easily Ginobili, because he has a more complete all-around game.

So, what is it that makes Wade EASILY Better than Ginobili. You better not talk season stats because that's, like you say, indicative of what Wade does with what he has.
But, take that out of the equation and POINT out EXACTLY, what it is that you say, makes WADE EASILY better. So what is it.

Oh and the video basically means the following: For as large as the internet is, and for as powerful as Google can be for a search engine, there is no video of Wade blocking Ginobili. Think about that, they've met 14 times since Wade got to the league. And for all the times they've played, you can't tell me that he hasn't tried to defend Ginobili and gotten at least 1 block? What does that tell you. It means that Wade pretty much chooses to not try to stop Ginobili.
It basically means that no video for Wade means he hasn't attempted to stop Ginobili.

NEXT QUESTION. Or do you need more of an answer...you simpleton.

[The Franchise]

Manu has been past his prime for about 2 years now, but it doesn't mean that he's not a very good player. He's just not as good as he used to be.

[Man In Black]

Manu has been past his prime for about 2 years now, but it doesn't mean that he's not a very good player. He's just not as good as he used to be.

Okay Rocket fan...quantify that for me. He's not as good as he used to be. Explain why, and then show us what it is that proves that he isn't still in his prime. It's something heat fan can't or hasn't been able to do.

[The Franchise]

Okay Rocket fan...quantify that for me. He's not as good as he used to be. Explain why, and then show us what it is that proves that he isn't still in his prime. It's something heat fan can't or hasn't been able to do.

Because even when healthy now he just doesn't play with the same consistency as he once did. Manu is still a good player, but there was a time when he could come in and turn the teams fortune around on an almost nightly basis. Now you are lucky to get that once in a week(if then). I can only go by his performance on the floor, but he just doesn't seem as effective as he once was. I would like to pose the same question to you. Do you honestly think he is as effective as he once was? If so why?

[Ace]

I'd build one around Ginobili. Why not. He's accomplished more than Wade has. Wade's younger but, since the Spurs have a dominant big, and an attacking PG. The system requires a SG with creativity and RANGE. Wade makes less 3 pointers and shoot's a lower 3FG%. So, in the Spurs case, they already have the best SG for them.
Wade has 246 3's made at a 3fg% of 28.9%. Look it up. I didn't make that up.
Ginobili has 804 3's made at a 3fg% of 37.6%.

In the playoffs, it's like this:
Wade has 51 3's made at a 3fg% of 34.7%
Ginobili has 190 3's made at a 3fg% of 37.5%
That's now 2 times Ginobili has Wade beat at a critical stat.

Let's assume that they are exactly the same age. If that's the case, it's easily Ginobili, because he has a more complete all-around game.

So, what is it that makes Wade EASILY Better than Ginobili. You better not talk season stats because that's, like you say, indicative of what Wade does with what he has.
But, take that out of the equation and POINT out EXACTLY, what it is that you say, makes WADE EASILY better. So what is it.

Oh and the video basically means the following: For as large as the internet is, and for as powerful as Google can be for a search engine, there is no video of Wade blocking Ginobili. Think about that, they've met 14 times since Wade got to the league. And for all the times they've played, you can't tell me that he hasn't tried to defend Ginobili and gotten at least 1 block? What does that tell you. It means that Wade pretty much chooses to not try to stop Ginobili.
It basically means that no video for Wade means he hasn't attempted to stop Ginobili.

NEXT QUESTION. Or do you need more of an answer...you simpleton.

You'd build around a player who can't play at a high level for entire season? So is 3 pt shooting the only thing important for building a team around? If three point shooting determines the better player then your say Ray Allen is better than Manu? Not sure what significance one block plays in determining the better player. Like I said your arguments are ridiculously laughable. Just look below:
2010 playoffs:
Wade
PPG 33.2
RPG 5.60
APG 6.8
EFF +31.40
Manu
PPG 19.4
RPG 3.7
APG 6.0
EFF +19.80
Career stats:
Wade
MPG 37.6
FG% .482
RPG 4.9
APG 6.6
BPG 1.1
PPG 25.4
SPG 1.8

Manu
MPG 27.8
FG% .452
RPG 4.0
APG 3.8
BPG .3
PPG 15.0
SPG 1.5

[Man In Black]

If you say he doesn't "play with the same consistency as he once did," what's your basis?
How do you quantify that?

From a statistical standpoint, he's right where he has always been. I'm a strong supporter of a stat called Points Created. It's like PER so it's not a full picture but it provides a strong foundation for evaluation. A foundation for evaluation is something most posters are too lazy to do.
I need a few minutes to give you the complete stats but I'll post those. I'll post Wade's too. 2 scores will pop. A per minute effectiveness and a per game effectiveness.

[Ace]

Okay Rocket fan...quantify that for me. He's not as good as he used to be. Explain why, and then show us what it is that proves that he isn't still in his prime. It's something heat fan can't or hasn't been able to do.

Somebody already posted the stats and even then you still failed to comprehend it then. Like you want to be spoon fed your stupidity.

[Man In Black]

You'd build around a player who can't play at a high level for entire season? So is 3 pt shooting the only thing important for building a team around? If three point shooting determines the better player then your say Ray Allen is better than Manu? Not sure what significance one block plays in determining the better player.

You can't be this dense can you? You can. I told you how well Manu fits the Spurs and their system and why 3FG% is most important for that particular system. We can say that Ray Allen is a better 3fg shooter, but he isn't better than Ginobili defensively, nor does he pass the ball better. So try again wace. 1 block video of Ginobili on Wade shows us ALL that Manu has attempted to and stopped Wade for all of us to see. Wade not having 1 video back shows us the opposite. That he hasn't stopped Ginobili in all the times, they've played. OR DOES THAT LOGIC ESCAPE YOU?

[Ace]

You can't be this dense can you? You can. I told you how well Manu fits the Spurs and their system and why 3FG% is most important for that particular system. We can say that Ray Allen is a better 3fg shooter, but he isn't better than Ginobili defensively, nor does he pass the ball better. So try again wace. 1 block video of Ginobili on Wade shows us ALL that Manu has attempted to and stopped Wade for all of us to see. Wade not having 1 video back shows us the opposite. That he hasn't stopped Ginobili in all the times, they've played. OR DOES THAT LOGIC ESCAPE YOU?

I say would you build a team around Ginobili and you say he's a good fit for the Spurs that was built around Duncan? The Spurs were not built around Ginobili, so try again. Your not to smart and your avoiding the question. I posted stats and yet you failed to recognize those because they disclaim your argument. Sorry Woman in Black but one block doesn't define one's defense on another beside he made one single play. Which is his .3 BPG . You don't find it funny that the ratio saying Manu is past is prime is greater than that who say otherwise? Maybe your to stupid to realize that little fact too.

[Ace]

Wade's PER - 25.67
Ginobili's PER - 21.65

[Man In Black]

I say would you build a team around Ginobili and you say he's a good fit for the Spurs that was built around Duncan?

You asked the question. I said that I would build around Ginobili. But on the Spurs, he's a perfect fit. Everywhere he's gone, he's been a champion. DWade can't say that.

The Spurs were not built around Ginobili, so try again. Your not to smart and your avoiding the question.

At first they aren't but, this is a true team. Each player has a designated role and Ginobili's on this team is as important as Tim or Tony. But you fail to recognize that.

I posted stats and yet you failed to recognize those because they disclaim your argument. Sorry Woman in Black but one block doesn't define one's defense on another beside he made one single play.

What it means is that in 14 games of Spurs vs. Heat, there aren't any videos of Wade making defensive play on Ginobili. In a world where one can find pink puppies on video ,
Why is it, that one CANNOT find a video of DWade playing defense on Ginobili?

Which is his .3 BPG . You don't find it funny that the ratio saying Manu is past is prime is greater than that who say otherwise? Maybe your to stupid to realize that little fact too.

No, what I find too funny is that many people don't even understand the context of the word, PRIME. I count you among them. I'm smarter than you are, been watching this game longer, and know this team better.

Try again. Being the MIB means that there is going to be some issue with someone who disagrees with me. It always seems that at the end, the other poster grows weary of me and then fades away. I think, eventually...you'll do the same. But truthfully, debate some more. The more you post, the more people will see what you really know about hoops. Which'll amount to LESS than I do.

[Sigz]

The happened to Manu's 3pt shot? Dude as bricking a ton last season.

[Mel_13]

career 3pt percentage: 37.6%
2009-10 3pt percentage: 37.7%

[ducks]

minutes played in 2010
minutes played in 2009
minutes played in 2008
minutes played in 2007 and so on




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[ducks]

minutes played in playoffs 2010
2009
2008
2007 and so on

[Mel_13]

minutes played in 2009-10

Manu: 2150
Tony: 1728

[mingus]

towards the end (in the suns series) Manu had a couple of games where he shot like from three. like 2/9 and 2/10 or something. he looked visibly tired in both of those games and had trouble getting to the basket to boot. it also didn't help that the spacing wasn't what it was when Parker was out and you had RJ and Parker in the game a the same time and they were just sagging of of those guys making it hard for Manu to drive.