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    Some thorough discussions:

    http://www.naturalnews.com/011764.html
    Merck's actions I referrenced earlier:
    Without an imperative to eradicate thimerosal immediately, vaccine manufacturers like Merck & Co. seemingly took their time in reducing thimerosal levels in vaccines. After a large public outcry in 1999, Merck & Co. began decreasing or eliminating the amount of thimerosal in its vaccines. In September 1999, Merck announced that its new line of vaccines were preservative-free, but still continued to distribute the remainder of thimerosal-preserved vaccines until 2001. Only after a congressional inquiry in 2002 did they stop distributing their stockpile. Rep. Dave Weldon, R-Fla., called Merck's actions "misleading."
    In the past five years, Congress has also aided vaccine manufacturers, supposedly for "security" reasons. In 2002, a mysterious piggyback on the 2002 Homeland Security bill freed drug companies of liability in lawsuits regarding thimerosal. Called the "Eli Lilly Protection Act" by outraged parents and activists, the then-House Majority Leader Armey told CBS News he snuck the amendment in to keep vaccine-makers from going out of business. Armey claimed it was a matter of national security. "We need their vaccines if the country is attacked with germ weapons."
    Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist is no stranger to the thimerosal debate, having received $873,000 in contributions from the pharmaceutical industry and $10,000 from Eli Lilly. Frist's position allowed him to attempt to help the industry from the inside, according to Kennedy. Kennedy reports that on five occasions, Frist tried to seal the government's vaccine-related do ents and shield Eli Lilly from subpoenas. Frist also introduced a provision in the 2005 Senate Bill S-3 called the "Protecting America in the War on Terror Act," that would effectively insulate the pharmaceutical industry from liability for thimerosal poisoning.
    A secret memo leaked to the Los Angeles Times reportedly implicates one vaccine manufacturer, Merck & Co., for knowing that thimerosal could pose serious threats to infants. Allegedly, Dr. Maurice Hilleman, one of Merck's top scientists, warned the president of Merck of a possible threat as early as 1991. Dr. Hilleman told executives that six-month-old children receiving regular immunizations frequently received mercury doses 87 times higher than guidelines for the maximum consumption of mercury. Given today's more prudent mercury standards, those thimerosal doses would be 400 times that of safe levels. Dr. Hilleman recommended in the memo that thimerosal be discontinued.
    Now all childhood vaccines have at least one mercury-free version, and I urge parents to ask for those versions if they choose to vaccinate their children. Injecting mercury into children, especially infants whose immune systems are still underdeveloped (hepa is B shots are typically given at birth, before the immune system has developed), can be an assault to the immune system.
    In 1999 studies began to surface showing that multi-dose vial vaccines, such as the MMR and hepa is B vaccines, contained enough thimerosal to expose vaccinated children to 62.5 ug of mercury per visit to the pediatrician. This is one hundred times the dose considered safe by the Federal Environmental Protection Guidelines for infants! Worse yet, some infants will receive doses even higher; because thimerosal tends to settle in the vial. If it is not shaken up before being drawn, the first dose will contain low concentrations of mercury and the last dose will contain enormously high concentrations. If your baby is the unlucky one that gets the last dose, serious brain injury can result…
    Health And Nutrition Secrets by Russell L Blaylock MD, page 166
    Studies of autistic children have frequently shown very high levels of mercury, with no other source but vaccines found for the exposure. These levels are equal to those seen in adults during toxic industrial exposures.
    Genetics plays a part too:
    http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9...ergers_pr.html
    One thing nearly everyone in the field agrees on: genetic predisposition. Identical twins share the disorder 9 times out of 10.
    The one thing that almost all researchers in the field agree on is that genetic predisposition plays a crucial role in laying the neurological foundations of autism in most cases. Studies have shown that if one identical twin is autistic, there's a 90 percent chance that the other twin will also have the disorder. If parents have had one autistic child, the risk of their second child being autistic rises from 1 in 500 to 1 in 20. After two children with the disorder, the sobering odds are 1 in 3. (So many parents refrain from having more offspring after one autistic child, geneticists even have a term for it: stoppage.) The chances that the siblings of an autistic child will display one or more of the other developmental disorders with a known genetic basis - such as dyslexia or Tourette's syndrome - are also significantly higher than normal.
    The bad news from Santa Clara County raises an inescapable question. Unless the genetic hypothesis is proven false, which is unlikely, regions with a higher than normal distribution of people on the autistic spectrum are something no researcher could ask for: living laboratories for the study of genetic expression. When the rain that fell on the Rain Man falls harder on certain communities than others, what becomes of the children?
    The answer may be raining all over Silicon Valley. And one of the best hopes of finding a cure may be locked in the DNA sequences that produced the minds that have made this area the technological powerhouse of the world.


    It's a familiar joke in the industry that many of the hardcore programmers in IT strongholds like Intel, Adobe, and Silicon Graphics - coming to work early, leaving late, sucking down Big Gulps in their cubicles while they code for hours - are residing somewhere in Asperger's domain. Kathryn Stewart, director of the Orion Academy, a high school for high-functioning kids in Moraga, California, calls Asperger's syndrome "the engineers' disorder." Bill Gates is regularly diagnosed in the press: His single-minded focus on technical minutiae, rocking motions, and flat tone of voice are all suggestive of an adult with some trace of the disorder. Dov's father told me that his friends in the Valley say many of their coworkers "could be diagnosed with ODD - they're odd." In Microserfs, novelist Douglas Coupland observes, "I think all tech people are slightly autistic."
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    Unfortunately we will probably never get to investigate what that 'unknown mitochondrial disorder' is, and how can it be detected before vaccination. The interested parties here just want you to hear that vaccinations are safe for everyone, and the case being settled out of court ensures that everything will get swept under a rug of secrecy.

    Nothing to see here, move along.
    Essentially, this is exactly the same inference boutons made @ #10.

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    It's a plausible inference.

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    I think practices started changing in the early 90's...right about the time that autism started occurring more frequently
    I don't think autism is on the rise. Many normal kids are misdiagnosed with autism because they happen to develop a little slower than other kids. Also, many schools purposely label kids incorrectly as autistic or ADHD for the extra federal funds they get for "learning-disabled" children. Don't kid yourselves - this happens. It's disgusting, but greed rules all.

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    There is an epidemic of diagnoses of psychotic kids, not an epidemic of psychotic kids.

    BigPharma and their corrupted doctors are pushing anti-pscyhotic drugs into kids and even babies.

    BigPharma medicalizes everything and anything human and then pushes a useless, patented, expensive drug.

    One of the scariest, saddest articles I ever read described common routine of kindergarten kids taking their drugs dutifully every day. Society is sick, not these kids.

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    I don't think autism is on the rise. Many normal kids are misdiagnosed with autism because they happen to develop a little slower than other kids. Also, many schools purposely label kids incorrectly as autistic or ADHD for the extra federal funds they get for "learning-disabled" children. Don't kid yourselves - this happens. It's disgusting, but greed rules all.
    autism is not nearly the same as ADHDits a whole difft ball of wax

    not nearly as easy to misdiagnose, but not easy to diagnose either. Just harder to fake the diagnosis.

    A child can be labeled ADD for jumping on the furniture. But Autism requires despondency, resistance to human contact, no language skills, failure to develop physical or empotional bonds with immediate family...not the sort of thing thats prone to false claims.

    Parents of autistic go through , especially in the worst cases. Its as bad as alzheimers.

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    One thing that gives a little perspective: Doctors were in the dark about autism until recently, and even since the recent public outcry and subsequent education of the medical community on the issue, the treatment for autism is generally behavioral therapy not prescriptions. So the whole greed thing doesnt come up IMO. Its probably more in the way of suffering, grieving confusion and exasperation

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    autism is not nearly the same as ADHDits a whole difft ball of wax
    Please don't misunderstand - I never meant to compare the two. It was just another example of how "disabilities" are, purposely or not, incorrectly diagnosed to benefit the school system.
    One thing that gives a little perspective: Doctors were in the dark about autism until recently, and even since the recent public outcry and subsequent education of the medical community on the issue, the treatment for autism is generally behavioral therapy not prescriptions. So the whole greed thing doesnt come up IMO. Its probably more in the way of suffering, grieving confusion and exasperation
    Among the many things that motivate humans, greed is almost always near the top of the list. Schools receive more money for learning challenged students. If doctors, child or educational psychiatrists receive kickbacks from drug companies for prescribing meds to kids who don't need it, I have no trouble believing that physicians receive certain "benefits" from specific therapy centers recommended by said doctors to the distraught parents of a recently diagnosed "autistic" child.

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    i understand the power of greed, Im just saying that since there arent medications to treat autism at this point, the big profit is just not there.

    This probably explains why doctors didnt diagnose it/treat it for so long...there was no money to be made if they couldnt peddle the drugs

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    Evidence published a decade ago, giving birth to the belief of a connection between vaccines and autism, has been deemed outright "fraudulent," according to an editorial published Wednesday in the British Medical Journal.


    Dr. Andrew Wakefield, a former British surgeon, published research in 1998 that seemed to establish a link between vaccines and autism. But authors of the editorial confirmed previous suggestions that Wakefield skewed patients' medical records to support his hypothesis that the widely-used measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) combination vaccine was causing autism and irritable bowel disease.The autism-vaccine link was one of the major medical controversies of the last decade.


    "Clear evidence of falsification of data should now close the door on this damaging vaccine scare," the authors wrote in the editorial.



    According to the editorial, Wakefield stood to gain financially from his purported findings because of his involvement in a lawsuit against manufacturers of the MMR vaccine. British news reports said Wakefield was hired as a consultant by lawyers trying to sue the vaccine's manufacturers. His compensation, they said, was about $750,000.
    http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Autism/...ry?id=12547823

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    I knew it was bull .

    Do they have to pay back the 1.5M? I'm guessing not.

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    If one dishonest doctor with no compliant media megaphone can send 1000s of people off in the wrong direction, imagine how a vast conspiracy of super-wealthy/powerful right-wingers can keep 100s of Ms of people totally confused about Reality, while obscuring their own culpability in ing up the planet.

    (One of the Kock Bros threw a big party for the Repugs yesterday and the Repugs assume power to up govt. Think any Repugs are gonna vote their Kock paymasters' interests?)
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    If one dishonest doctor with no compliant media megaphone can send 1000s of people off in the wrong direction, imagine how a vast conspiracy of super-wealthy/powerful right-wingers can keep 100s of Ms of people totally confused about Reality, while obscuring their own culpability in ing up the planet.

    (One of the Kock Bros threw a big party for the Repugs yesterday and the Repugs assume power to up govt. Think any Repugs are gonna vote their Kock paymasters' interests?)


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    ... from Darrin the Dupe's -for-brain farts

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    you pegged the darrins' of the world..

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    People in the medical field have known this for years. No other study has ever linked the 2, and his study consisted of 12 kids sent to him by the lawyers for the case. Autism existed for decades before the MMR vaccine.

    I try to have sympathy for the parents. They are looking for some outside cause to blame for their kid's autism, but sometimes, a kid is just born a certain way.

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    Most of the reported cases of autism these days would not have been called autism before 1994. Looks like the bar was lowered too far for diagnosis.

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    Same with ADHD, etc.

    An epidemic of diagnoses, not an epidemic of disorders. BigPharma and corrupt, patient-flipping docs are the criminals.

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    From the DouglassReport today:


    Immunization researcher hit with fraud allegations


    Start pounding those stakes into the ground and gather up some firewood -- we've got a witch to burn.

    Today's witch: Dr. Andrew Wakefield, now accused of fabricating the research in his landmark 1998 study that linked vaccinations to autism.

    And if he really did fake his work, then burn, baby, burn.

    But before you set that fire, ask yourself why so many people are so bent on destroying this man -- and what they're so afraid of.

    After all, Dr. Wakefield never told anyone not to vaccinate a child. He's not even against vaccinations.

    All he did was suggest that the ludicrous combo vaccinations that overwhelm young immune systems be split up into a series of individual shots -- or at least allow parents the option to choose between the two.

    That doesn't sound very radical to me -- but you should have seen Anderson Cooper go after Dr. Wakefield on his CNN show the other night. You would've thought he found a Nazi war criminal instead of a relatively minor threat to one of the world's biggest, most powerful and most crooked industries.

    If you want some witches, I've got a much better place for you to bring your torches: to the offices of drug company bosses and their public health lackeys who push needless vaccine after needless vaccine on children around the world.

    I don't know if these things really cause autism, but it doesn't matter -- because I do know this: Many of these shots are dangerous, unnecessary and ineffective.

    You heard me right. Despite the mainstream's mantra that "vaccines have saved millions of lives," let's take the scientific point of view on this: Prove it.

    That's how science works, right?

    But you can't prove it, because it's just not true -- the very diseases that launched the vaccination movement in the early 20th century were already on the decline before a single arm was ever poked!

    These vaccines didn't end disease -- better living conditions, improved sanitation and the greater overall health of advancing society did that.

    But while scientists can't prove that vaccines have worked, I can prove they've harmed millions -- and exposed millions more to serious and unacceptable risk while undermining our natural immunity.

    In one case, 11 million British kids were given polio shots contaminated with mad cow disease. In a separate case of contaminated polio vaccinations, millions of Americans were "accidentally" injected with a virus known to cause brain tumors.

    You want more? I've got plenty. Remember the Lyme disease vaccine? If you don't, that's because it was quickly pulled off the market after being linked to a severe and crippling form of arthritis.

    Then there's that dangerous HPV vaccine I've been warning you about, still on the market despite dozens of deaths and thousands of adverse events among little girls across the country.

    And don't even get me started on flu shots... or the millions sickened or hurt through the known and expected side effects of "perfectly good" vaccines.

    You want to burn a witch, then c'mon baby light that fire -- just make sure you burn the right one.

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    Same with ADHD, etc.

    An epidemic of diagnoses, not an epidemic of disorders. BigPharma and corrupt, patient-flipping docs are the criminals.
    LOL...

    What if it starts with diet and sugar?

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    WTF does diet and sugar have to do with MANDATORY vaccines?

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    Murdoch's Times went after/slimed Wakefield to protect BigPharma's profits?

    http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/07/1...-larger-story/

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    Unless I'm totally mistaken, wasn't there recently a study that pretty much flat out said there was no link between autism and vaccinations?
    If I'm not mistaken, what they found, it's not the vaccinations, but the quan y of them at once and the immune system responses.

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    I think there was, but this case may sit outside of that study since the patient has a unique mitochondrial condition.

    Im still not sure how the family won a settlement because a combo of nine vaccines interacted with an unknown mitochondrial disorder.
    I would think the physician that put the 9 vacc tail together would've been the first one under the microscope.
    Without knowing enough details, my first thought is this is a malpractice case against the doctor, not the pharmacies.

    Did the pharmacies say all nine of these could be mixed?

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    doctor is at fault, that's too many vaccinations at once

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