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111m only makes 55jobs? fail
Maybe RandomGuy can wrap his "critical thinking skills" around this one.
http://www.mercurynews.com/californi...nclick_check=1
Two Los Angeles agencies have received $111 million in federal stimulus funds but have used the money to create or save just 55 jobs, City Controller Wendy Greuel said Wednesday.
Announcing the results of two audits, Greuel said she found no misuse of federal Recovery and Reinvestment Act funds by officials in the Public Works Department and the Department of Transportation.
But she said she was disappointed by delays in preparing projects and awarding contracts that could have cut into Los Angeles' double-digit jobless rate.
"With our local unemployment rate over 12 percent, we need to do a better job cutting the red tape and putting Angelenos back to work," Greuel said at a news conference.
Defending the city's track record on the jobs front, City Administrative Officer Miguel Santana said overall job creation is much better if contracts awarded by all departments are taken into consideration.
Los Angeles has received authorization for $658 million in stimulus money and has spent just a fraction of that to create or retain 936 jobs, including 513 in the private sector, Santana said.
Earlier this year, the city estimated it would be able to create 4,763 jobs with the money.
"We've only spent 13 percent of the dollars we were awarded and I think we're on track (to create all the jobs)," Santana said. "The majority of the jobs are still coming."
Part of the problem for the city has been that it must create the jobs and begin paying salaries before it can be reimbursed by the federal government.
DOT spokesman Bruce Gillman said the agency will review and determine what steps will be needed to boost employment.
"LADOT continues to work on several (federal stimulus) funded grants to improve safety conditions on streets," Gillman said.
Among these are restriping left-turn lanes, replacing old traffic lights with energy-efficient LED signals, improving traffic signal safety at grade crossings and improving Commuter Express and DASH bus services.
Greuel said the audits were the first on the federal stimulus grants and her office plans to examine how other agencies are spending the funds.
Other federal stimulus projects include everything from from rehabilitation of low-income housing to fiber-optic installations.
Greuel said the public works and transportation failed to prepare for the programs that will be funded by the federal money.
The Department of Public Works, which has begun to ins ute changes, had a process to use work orders that made it difficult to distinguish the stimulus funds from other projects. Public Works received $70 million in funding.
In addition, Greuel said the billing procedures for reimbursement were not submitted in a timely manner.
Greuel also complained the Public Works process took too long to award contracts, undermining the goal of having "shovel ready" projects put out to contract immediately.
Bill Robertson, director of the Bureau of Street Services, said he is working with Greuel's office, but believes he has not been given credit for some of the work.
"A lot of these were for projects approved in May and June and we started work on July 1," Robertson said. "Also, the program was designed to keep jobs as well as create new ones. We transferred 80 people over to (stimulus) projects and we are still waiting to get credit for that."
In the Department Transportation, which received $41 million, Greuel found similar delays. She said four projects approved for funding under the Federal Highway Allocation took seven months to get to contract.
Greuel said the department needed to have more of a sense of urgency in awarding the contracts to create jobs.
111m only makes 55jobs? fail
2 million per job? Not bad. That's change we can believe in.
sounds like LA public works and other depts are grossly mismanaged.
this article is grossly written and needs further clarification.Los Angeles has received authorization for $658 million in stimulus money and has spent just a fraction of that to create or retain 936 jobs, including 513 in the private sector, Santana said.
Sweet Baby Jesus. Did you even read the article you posted?
Your post is a shining example of confirmation bias if there ever was one.
Did you just not read :""We've only spent 13 percent of the dollars we were awarded and I think we're on track (to create all the jobs)," Santana said. "The majority of the jobs are still coming."
"The Department of Public Works, which has begun to ins ute changes, had a process to use work orders that made it difficult to distinguish the stimulus funds from other projects. Public Works received $70 million in funding."
"A lot of these were for projects approved in May and June and we started work on July 1," Robertson said. "Also, the program was designed to keep jobs as well as create new ones. We transferred 80 people over to (stimulus) projects and we are still waiting to get credit for that."
Sounds like, if given an honest read, the article is showing why there are only 55 jobs at present and that many more in the pipeline. Administrative delays and unpreparedness...yeah those are problems, but are not flaws of the stimulus program as you would like to infer. Of course, your bias would cause you to omit that. Just like boutons, I'm afraid.
There's lots of things to grill the Obama administration over. Disingenuous bull like this just makes it harder to do so.
Physician, heal thyself.
You don't know what confirmation bias means, do you?
Ok, so they've only spent $262,000 per job. Happy now?
Oh, I know exactly what it is. It's my job to understand it from a statistical standpoint. You illustrate the definition nicely in this thread from a meat-world context.
Confirmation Bias is a tendency for people to favor information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true.[Note 1][1] As a result, people gather evidence and recall information from memory selectively, and interpret it in a biased way.
Well, in one stroke we've reduced your hyperbolic, bogus figure by about 1.7 million and change per job. With a little more critical thinking, you might even do better. Keep trying!
Well, in one stroke we've reduced your hyperbolic, bogus figure by about 1.7 million and change per job. With a little more critical thinking, you might even do better. Keep trying!
So, you think a quarter of a million per job is good?
Keep up your "critical thinking".
Is it confirmation bias that over a quarter million has been spent per job saved, thus far?
Or, is that a mathematical fact?
Critical thinking would suggest that the process is not complete yet and it's ridiculous to trot out figures at this point.
Actually, if you want to get technical, it's a projection or an estimate since all the data is not in yet. Holy , Darrin.
Here is the deal…Cali esp. So Cal, is very important to the U.S.A. economy…Were are like the 8th largest economy in the world….We make a lot of money & we spend a lot of money…We buy cars with sun roofs, navigation, leather interior, bling wheels…We purchase 4x4’s with lift kits, enormous tires, wenches, trucks that will never even get dirty least of all ever go off road…We purchase most of the worlds luxury items that we really don’t need & often cant afford…Watches, big screens, designer clothes…Sure we could shop JC Penny but how boring is that ?…We set the bar when it comes to overindulgence…Think of what would happen if we changed out ways? Wal-Mart’s, HEB markets & What a Burgers would move in instead of Macy’s, Whole Foods & Spago’s…This could have a serious impact on our way of life…People from other parts of the country who spend less & live within their means are not as impacted by economic down turns…
THE REST OF THE COUNTRY OWES US!!! We are en led to even more stimulus & government bail outs…If the government pulls back on stimulus & pork projects So Cal should be excluded…Who wants to drive to work on a road that is not impeccably maintained…Who wants to travel on public transportation with the steerage…Who wants to shop at some silly grocery store that has weekly sales & promotes coupons to bring in the average Joe…
What is it about being deserving DON'T YOU GET?
Notice I've yet to assign a descriptor such as "Good" or "Bad" yet.
People do that when they think things through.
*edit* @ DarrinS
How about I simply wrap my reading comprehension and basic math skills instead?
100/13=7.69"We've only spent 13 percent of the dollars we were awarded and I think we're on track (to create all the jobs)," Santana said. "The majority of the jobs are still coming."
7.69*55= 423 jobs to be eventually "saved"
My critical thinking skills lead me to beleive that you posted this, pretty much without reading it, because someone told you to be outraged about it.
My economic skills lead me to point out that the follow on effects of the spending, such as the local goods and services created by the spending of the people who continue to have jobs will not be included in any calculation.
My critical thinking skills is that if the the people who told you about this really knew about those jobs, that fact will not be presented because that would not contribute to the narrative that they are trying to push.
Do you like being lied to a lot Darrin, or do you willingly embrace it?
Last edited by RandomGuy; 09-17-2010 at 11:58 AM. Reason: clarification
My money is on willingly embracing.
Darrin uses 111 million fails to create 55 threads.
2 million per thread? Not bad. That's fail we can believe in.
If only it were that black and white.
Sorry charlie, reality is a bit more gray.
As mentioned before, this is a fairly limited measurement, based on rather limited data.
To get a fair sense of what was actually done, and what exact effect the funds had, you would need data on how it was spent, and how funds would be spent in the future, as mentioned before, such spending has a lot of follow on effects.
It is a bit like saying "a functioning car results from putting an engine into a chassis" and skipping all the things that went into assembling the engine and chasssis.
In the strictist sense, your assertion is correct, based on the limited data presented.
Is it not, however, intellectually honest or fair.
Are you concerned with being honest or fair, or simply advancing your personal political narrative?
It is possible to do both, but not if you choose to misrepesent things.
At least they will be taxed more after the Bush tax cuts expire. /win!
Winehole has a thread/plan for that. You fail.
He's obviously not concerned with being honest or fair, but DarrinS is not advancing a personal political narrative, as much as he's representing someone else's.
Snivelling idiots like DarrinS are too stupid to have personal and coherent belief systems. People like him exist to be fleeced and manipulated by the monetary/political interest groups which do have an actual (evil) agenda. He's a peon, a proud, loud moron. Something to be used. Let's not pretend he's capable of being anything more than that.
you guys are wrong.
i'm certain that he read it.
So Darrin was only off by about $95,000,000 or so?
Pretty good for him tbh.
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