Poll: Don't ask don't tell

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, its likely the immigration stuff was were the amendments that really killed it. They really need to do something about non germane amendments but considering how much stupid is passed that way I doubt they ever will.

[jack sommerset]

Much to do about nothing except that 2.2 percent. Its probably higher than that, though.

I think it's less. You really can't count lesbian or bisexual women as gay. Most eventually get in line and got back to the other side.

[jack sommerset]

How do you know how many if you can't ask and they can't tell?

I'll find the link I got it from.

[MannyIsGod]

I think it's less. You really can't count lesbian or bisexual women as gay. Most eventually get in line and got back to the other side.

Why? Because you'd like to most of them? Please don't let reality get in the way of your sexual fantasies.

[ElNono]

Well, it's a valid gripe, though one I would have preferred come up when an amendment to a defense spending bill banned online gambling...

Sure it is. Dems and Republicans are both guilty of not getting done at least in this case.

[ElNono]

I'll find the link I got it from.

How would they know? They can't ask and soldiers can't tell...

[jack sommerset]

Why? Because you'd like to most of them? Please don't let reality get in the way of your sexual fantasies.

LoL

Here is the link. The study was done by Williams Ins ute in Jan of this year.

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesb...inMilitary.htm

[Winehole23]

I think they tacked it on to pass the legislation.

Ok. That opposition would mean voting no on a defense bill was just gravy, then?

They had a legit shot at it and its something that is clearly on the agenda to fix on as friendly terms as possible to the military. Should a court ruling come through it could be much uglier for all involved.

True. Things could always be much uglier than they are.

Its going to be settled one way or another in favor of repealing this legislation.

DADT is doomed to fail anyway, so we should hasten its demise? Something like that?

It was better than the status quo when it was passed

It was a patronizing half-measure. It sucked.

And there were unanticipated consequences, such as DADT becoming the bureaucratic criterion for turning sexuals out of language specialties at a crucial juncture of the war on terr-uh.

but we've definitely progressed as a society on this issue and its time for us to adhere to the principles we allegedly hold so high.

I'm less sanguine than you about us having any incrementally achieved ethical relationship to our own ideals. I see us more as having a deceptive/self-serving one that tells us pleasing lies. Back-sliding is always possible.

[boutons_deux]

Dems added it to make the Repugs look bad with same sex crowd, which includes of course lots of closeted Repugs.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't think it was a poison pill at all. I think there was a legit desire to pass the legislation.

[LnGrrrR]

You're right. However, in many people's mind, there is no difference in having to share a common barracks and common shower with sexuals, as with the opposite sex. When the showers become coed, then sexual preference truly doesn't matter.

If those of you wanting gays to be able to openly serve, but cannot acknowledge this simple truth, then you are lost in your agenda.

Well, considering that gay people are sharing bathrooms/showers right now, it's not like anything would change if they're out in the open.

[Sisk]

As far as you know?

Right

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I think it's less. You really can't count lesbian or bisexual women as gay. Most eventually get in line and got back to the other side.

Christ! You're like a ing cartoon!

[Wild Cobra]

Or at the bowling alley.

I personally don't have a problem with gay soldiers serving. However, others do, and it is a problem as if we allowed men to gawk and women in shared shower facilities. You would end up having the same inappropriate behavior of harassment if they are allowed to openly serve. Therefore my standard. My standard is gays can openly serve when men and women share the same shower facilities at the same time.

I think it's a reasonable take on the situation.

[Wild Cobra]

Well, considering that gay people are sharing bathrooms/showers right now, it's not like anything would change if they're out in the open.

No, they can then make remarks they wouldn't otherwise make, making others feel rather uncomfortable.

[Wild Cobra]

I think it's less. You really can't count lesbian or bisexual women as gay. Most eventually get in line and got back to the other side.

I disagree with you there Jack, but it doesn't really matter to me.

[MannyIsGod]

No, they can then make remarks they wouldn't otherwise make, making others feel rather uncomfortable.

Sexual Harassment is allowed in the military?

@ DADT protecting straight people from feeling sexually harassed. Your idiocy knows no bounds.

[Wild Cobra]

Sexual Harassment is allowed in the military?

@ DADT protecting straight people from feeling sexually harassed. Your idiocy knows no bounds.

It still happens.

I tell you, if such an inappropriate thing happened to me, I might beat someone to a pulp. Not the first time, but the second time after reporting an unprovable action happened again.

You see, just a mention or talk doesn't justify sexual harassment. Sexual harassment actually required power of one over another, or continued/repeated overt sexual remarks that are unwelcomed.

In a he-said-she-said situation, how do you prove anything?

It causes bad moral.

Like I said, when the military is ready for men and women sharing billets and showers, then it's ready for gays to openly serve too.

[ChumpDumper]

Does WC think he is really that attractive to teh gheys?

[MannyIsGod]

LOL @ internet thug WC so afraid of someone finding him attractive he's willing to threaten beat downs to prevent it.

[Wild Cobra]

LOL @ internet thug WC so afraid of someone finding him attractive he's willing to threaten beat downs to prevent it.

Dog...

When will you stop making things up?

You don't know squat, and continue to show your utter stupidity.

[MannyIsGod]

In any event, according to that federal court you decided had no authority - it IS time for gays to serve openly due to some do ent called the cons ution.

Even if your bull was legit, somehow setting up separate showers is harder than securing equality. Amazing.

[MannyIsGod]

Dog...

When will you stop making things up?

You don't know squat, and continue to show your utter stupidity.

Yes, it is me showing my stupidity in this thread.

[baseline bum]

I personally don't have a problem with gay soldiers serving. However, others do, and it is a problem as if we allowed men to gawk and women in shared shower facilities. You would end up having the same inappropriate behavior of harassment if they are allowed to openly serve. Therefore my standard. My standard is gays can openly serve when men and women share the same shower facilities at the same time.

I think it's a reasonable take on the situation.

Should gay kids be allowed to take 7th grade gym class?

[Jacob1983]

Obama and his minions are pathetic and useless. They can't even get this done. They can't make it where gay people can serve openly in the military. Bush started a questionable costly war in Iraq and may have been in on a 9/11 inside job. Bush was a dumbass but at least he got some done. And people don't give a if all of these problems are because of Bush. That excuse is old and used up. Obama is in charge now. He needs to step up to the plate and at least attempt to fix some of this . Obama barely tries to get done. If he can't get something done quickly, he gives up and blames it on Bush.