Cop driving 126mph and texting kills 2 girls, gets probation, files for compensation.

[Cry Havoc]

no. i did not say that all. i am not arguing the ethics of the law here at all. i was simply stating that based on the precedents set by other cases, where employees have won suits against their employers despite a large degree of culpability created by the indivuduals filing the claims, it is not to far-fetched to believe that he will be granted the money.

don't get upset at me just because i accept the reality of an absurd legal system.

Not getting upset.

No one has answered me why this man only got probation for 30 months. Would that have happened to an average civilian who did this?

[4>0rings]

If an employee driving one of my company trucks blew a red light and t-boned someone, killing them, I would not only get sued by the the dead persons family but I would have to pay workmans comp on the employee. Thats just the way it is. I didn't say it was right.

Are you hiring?

[Blake]

Not getting upset.

No one has answered me why this man only got probation for 30 months. Would that have happened to an average civilian who did this?

He obviously plea bargained with the prosecutor and got the 4 counts down to two counts of reckless homicide and aggravated reckless driving to which probation instead of prison time was apparently available.

Had he been tried and found guilty, from what I can tell, Illinois law regarding reckless homicide says he would have spent anywhere from 2-5 years in prison.

[Spurminator]

No one has answered me why this man only got probation for 30 months. Would that have happened to an average civilian who did this?

Not that I'm in any way defending this asshole, but I'm guessing the speeding part is different for him than for the average person because it's a part of his job. (I don't know if cops have certain limits to speeding when they're responding to a call.)

But the texting/emailing part of it is unforgivable and represents gross negligence. It does piss me off that he didn't get any hard jail time, but I don't think he should get what an average citizen would get because no average citizen should ever be driving 126 mph.

[Sisk]

I believe you are confusing with what is "right" and what is "law".

I dont like it anymore than you do, but that is the system at its worst. Pedophiles are released early everyday from prisons all over the country to make room for crimes much less severe (and off-putting), but that is the system (especially when you consider the recidivism rate of pedophiles).

Do I like the system? No, absolutely not, no thread in the history of the internet could encompass all the needed changes to make it better and even then it will still be horribly, outrageously flawed.

Life sucks, get a helmet.

I'm not "confusing" anything. I recognize that it's wrong and I hate it. I'm aware there's a difference between what's correct and what the law says. I'm saying I despise that fact.

[Sisk]

So I'm the worst troll but apparently I'm not trolling.

It seems like you intentionally act like you don't know the point people are trying to make just for the sake of argument.

[Blake]

It seems like you intentionally act like you don't know the point people are trying to make just for the sake of argument.

link to where you think you see this in action?

[LnGrrrR]

If an employee driving one of my company trucks blew a red light and t-boned someone, killing them, I would not only get sued by the the dead persons family but I would have to pay workmans comp on the employee. Thats just the way it is. I didn't say it was right.

Pretty f'ing stupid.

[Sisk]

link to where you think you see this in action?

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162570

[Blake]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162570

sometimes I don't know the point people are trying to make and want clarification. If an argument/debate follows, then great. Happy fun time.

I dont see that as trolling, but I really don't care enough to argue that it's not.

[Sisk]

sometimes I don't know the point people are trying to make and want clarification. If an argument/debate follows, then great. Happy fun time.

I dont see that as trolling, but I really don't care enough to argue that it's not.

[rjv]

Not getting upset.

No one has answered me why this man only got probation for 30 months. Would that have happened to an average civilian who did this?

maybe. there have been cases similar to this in san antonio. the one that stands out to me is the couple that was riding their bikes in the designated bike lane when a man inexplicably veered into that lane killing them both and leaving their daughter an orphan. he was never charged with any crime at all despite evidence suggesting he was driving over the speed limit and also texting at the same time.

[chunticakes]

cue silverblk mystix stupid cop defense in 5...4...3...

[resistanze]

Not that I'm in any way defending this asshole, but I'm guessing the speeding part is different for him than for the average person because it's a part of his job. (I don't know if cops have certain limits to speeding when they're responding to a call.)

But the texting/emailing part of it is unforgivable and represents gross negligence. It does piss me off that he didn't get any hard jail time, but I don't think he should get what an average citizen would get because no average citizen should ever be driving 126 mph.

I think his texting should negate any justification he could have had for driving 126 mph.

I mean, physicians have the power to prescribe and administer controlled substances, but they shouldn't be excused anymore than the average citizen if they decide to sell them.

[Cry Havoc]

I think his texting should negate any justification he could have had for driving 126 mph.

I mean, physicians have the power to prescribe and administer controlled substances, but they shouldn't be excused anymore than the average citizen if they decide to sell them.

Similarly, if I was going under the knife for a routine, safe surgery, and I died because my surgeon was intoxicated/high on LSD during the operation, I wouldn't expect that surgeon to get probation and compensation for cutting himself with the knife during the surgery. Would that make sense to anyone? A surgeon who's completely drunk out of his mind doing surgery, botching it, and then being en led to paid time off + compensatory wages because he was "doing his job" when it happened?

This comparison is pretty apt, considering that texting while driving has actually been shown to be significantly worse than driving while intoxicated.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/31545004/Text...ng_and_Driving

[desflood]

Not that I'm in any way defending this asshole, but I'm guessing the speeding part is different for him than for the average person because it's a part of his job. (I don't know if cops have certain limits to speeding when they're responding to a call.)

When I had my EMT license ambulance drivers were required to adhere to the same traffic laws as civilian drivers - speed limits included. I don't know whether police officers have to abide by the same, but it stands to reason.

[DarkReign]

I'm not "confusing" anything. I recognize that it's wrong and I hate it. I'm aware there's a difference between what's correct and what the law says. I'm saying I despise that fact.

Fair enough and I would agree with you.

[MannyIsGod]

the cop did receive 30 months probation and firing a nail gun in random directions is absolutely not the same thing.

I'd argue that if this guy wasn't a cop a DA could likely make a case for criminal negligence so its really not as far off as you think it is.

The DA might still try to make that case for all I know, but I'm assuming they're not.

[resistanze]

cue silverblk mystix stupid cop defense in 5...4...3...

He has a tough job

[MannyIsGod]

Nevermind, I see he was prosecuted. I'm amazed that workman's comp is still awarded in cases of criminal action.

[Blake]

Similarly, if I was going under the knife for a routine, safe surgery, and I died because my surgeon was intoxicated/high on LSD during the operation, I wouldn't expect that surgeon to get probation and compensation for cutting himself with the knife during the surgery. Would that make sense to anyone? A surgeon who's completely drunk out of his mind doing surgery, botching it, and then being en led to paid time off + compensatory wages because he was "doing his job" when it happened?

This comparison is pretty apt, considering that texting while driving has actually been shown to be significantly worse than driving while intoxicated.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/31545004/Text...ng_and_Driving

I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you that texting and driving is dangerous and stupid. You are asking why he only got 30 months probation when you think DWT is as bad as DWI

Drinking and driving is illegal.

Texting and driving was not in 2007 in Illinois.

[Frenzy]

All questions answerd with "he's a cop"

[resistanze]

God damn, I didn't even know the age of the girls until now. Sisters 18 and 13 years of age.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Sure enough, all the Republican s suckers in this thread managed to defend the pig for this.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

S bags like this are why cops have such a bad name in this country.

This, and the fact pigs would rather break up a party because of under aged drinking than respond to a call about a girl being raped.