Patriots vs. Jets game thread

[Blake]

Are you strongfat or just fat?


I'm probably somewhere in the 170's, but I weighed myself with my heavy ass clothes.

I'm not in shape but I'm not fat. I been trying to tone with Wii bowling.

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Probably the reason I don't post stats is because every time I post stats, the argument is "stats don't matter because it's a team sport".

you never posted individual stats that prove Brady is superior to Peyton. unless you are referring to the season in which Brady threw 1 more TD to break Mannings record, despite the fact that he threw almost 100 more passes. and he was only able to stay on pace statistically with Manning for that one year. no other years, has he even came close. and Manning puts up these far superior stats, while only averaging around 1 more pass per game through his career.

in other words, there are no stats that you can provide to prove that he is superior to Peyton. unless as I said before you pull your usual "3 rings" bull that provide no proof whatsoever, other than the fact that Brady has had a better team more often than Manning.

Then when I focus on team success, it's "well Peyton just makes tougher throws"

both have had great team success. when Brady and Manning have had complete teams, they have won superbowls. Fortunately for Brady, he has had a complete team more often than Manning, is that not true?

however, I fully expect you to answer that with another question that makes no sense at all, because your brain turns to soup anytime you talk about Tom Brady.

in your world - Brady >>>>>>>>>> Jesus

Then when I show Peyton licking balls on a tough throw, it's "well these stats prove I'm right and if you don't believe me it's because you're being emotional "

right, because one throw suddenly means that he is inferior to another player that he has proven to be superior to in virtually every aspect. a throw that was not neccesarily bad, as opposed to a piss-poorly ran timing route. but for now, lets just say that was a bad pass. since one play that ultimately results in a loss in a big playoff game means you suck, what about this?

great in' throw



lol, not escaping pocket or getting rid of ball

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I been trying to tone with Wii bowling.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

since one play that ultimately results in a loss in a big playoff game means you suck, what about this?

great in' throw

Are you seriously trying to argue that pass is why New England lost?

[lefty]

I'm not in shape but I'm not fat. I been trying to tone with Wii bowling.

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Are you seriously trying to argue that pass is why New England lost?

absolutely not. they lost because they simply got beat by a better team.

since according to mono's logic, one "bad throw" by Peyton means he licks balls at tough passes (despite a history of making tough passes), then one "bad throw" by Brady means he licks balls in clutch situations (despite a history of coming up in clutch situations)

his logic is bull , imo

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I try not to get too involved in the Manning vs. Brady arguments since IMO it's way too close to call career wise, but did mono actually say Peyton "licks balls" at difficult passes?

[Brad2217]

rough crowd

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I try not to get too involved in the Manning vs. Brady arguments since IMO it's way too close to call career wise, but did mono actually say Peyton "licks balls" at difficult passes?

he said this...

Then when I show Peyton licking balls on a tough throw...

the video was this...

lol

which was posted in reply to this...

But Mannings ability to consistently complete tough passes, is what puts him over Brady. While Brady can complete tough passes, he definitely cannot complete them as consistently as Manning does.

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I try not to get too involved in the Manning vs. Brady arguments since IMO it's way too close to call career wise

im just curious for your point of view on the debate, and what makes their careers too close to call?

perhaps you can present an objective viewpoint from a Pat fans perspective, something Mono is clearly unable to do. instead he just gets butthurt over me calling him emotional. perhaps he just should go into his posting history and look at his reaction to the Pats losing, his reaction about Dirk after the Mavs lost to GS (saying the Mavs should trade for KG, LMAO), and a load of other dumb knee-jerk that he posted. everyone has knee-jerk reactions from time to time, but his seem to happen wayyyyyyyyyyyyy too often

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

He said "when I show manning licking balls on a tough throw" as in singular pointing to a specific example. The point is they both up their share of tough throws.

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He said "when I show manning licking balls on a tough throw" as in singular pointing to a specific example. The point is they both up their share of tough throws.

and that is exactly my point. why show ONE instance? if he has a history of doing so, his argument stands. peyton doesnt. neither does brady in regards to the videos i posted, so that type of argument doesnt work here.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

im just curious for your point of view on the debate, and what makes their careers too close to call?

They have both accomplished everything the other guy has done. There is nothing that stands out to me what one did that the other didn't. Peyton has more MVPs because he's always been on teams that need to be carried by the passing game, Brady has won more superbowls because he's been on better defensive teams.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

and that is exactly my point. why show ONE instance? if he has a history of doing so, his argument stands. peyton doesnt. neither does brady in regards to the videos i posted, so that type of argument doesnt work here.

Do you at least agree Peyton has a history of ing up against 3-4 defenses?

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Do you at least agree Peyton has a history of ing up against 3-4 defenses?

Yes, but then again, most QB's have a harder time against a well ran 3-4, including Brady and Brees.

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They have both accomplished everything the other guy has done. There is nothing that stands out to me what one did that the other didn't. Peyton has more MVPs because he's always been on teams that need to be carried by the passing game, Brady has won more superbowls because he's been on better defensive teams.

is this really true? after doing some research, I see that for their careers, Manning averages less than 2 more pass attempts per game (i believe it was around 1.25 more). and with the exception of the Corey Dillion era, the Pats have pretty much always had to rely on their passing game.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Yes, but then again, most QB's have a harder time against a well ran 3-4, including Brady and Brees.

The 2008 Chargers were not a well run 3-4 defense and they still gave Manning fits.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

is this really true? after doing some research, I see that for their careers, Manning averages less than 2 more pass attempts per game (i believe it was around 1.25 more). and with the exception of the Corey Dillion era, the Pats have pretty much always had to rely on their passing game.

Manning also had better weapons. Hate on Wayne and Harrison all you want, they are sure as are better than Deion Branch and Troy Brown. Outside of Moss the 2007 Patriots had receivers that were unproven or didn't click with Brady at all, he had the best passing season in NFL history. Manning put up better numbers because he had better weapons.

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The 2008 Chargers were not a well run 3-4 defense and they still gave Manning fits.

Manning didn't play all that poorly against the Chargers the two times the Colts lost to them. in both games, he posted over a 90 QB rating and over 300 yards.

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Manning also had better weapons. Hate on Wayne and Harrison all you want, they are sure as are better than Deion Branch and Troy Brown. Outside of Moss the 2007 Patriots had receivers that were unproven or didn't click with Brady at all, he had the best passing season in NFL history. Manning put up better numbers because he had better weapons.

I don't disagree entirely, although in the time that Brady has had Moss and Welker, he still hasn't really been able to produce monster MVP level stats on a consistent basis, the way Manning has. He had that one year, where he had 1 more TD, and a little more yardage than Mannings best year, but had to throw nearly 100 more passes than Manning in order to do that.

Manning has also consistently been good, despite having several different head coaches, none of which are NEAR the level of Bill Bellichick. I think Bill's system is a big reason why the Pats offense was able to be so efficient, despite not having weapons quite like Wayne or Harrison. Those SB patriots passing systems were just so tough to stop because of such perfect gameplanning and playcalling. Brady most definitely benefitted from a great offensive system earlier in his career, just the way Manning benefitted from having weapons.

[Dave Mustaine]

Are yall gonna make up over the next family dinner at mom and dad's house?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I don't disagree entirely, although in the time that Brady has had Moss and Welker, he still hasn't really been able to produce monster MVP level stats on a consistent basis, the way Manning has. He had that one year, where he had 1 more TD, and a little more yardage than Mannings best year, but had to throw nearly 100 more passes than Manning in order to do that.

Welker was absolutely nothing before Brady so don't list him like he's a receiving target every QB would be successful with. Brady also had 2 less interceptions, a higher comple on %, and no running back like Edgerrin James who took pressure off the passing game.

Manning has also consistently been good, despite having several different head coaches, none of which are NEAR the level of Bill Bellichick.

The same Bill Belichick with a career record below .500 when someone other than Brady is starting? Slob Bill Belichick's knob all you want, but prior to Tom Brady his coaching career had been an abortion.

I think Bill's system is a big reason why the Pats offense was able to be so efficient, despite not having weapons quite like Wayne or Harrison. Those SB patriots passing systems were just so tough to stop because of such perfect gameplanning and playcalling. Brady most definitely benefitted from a great offensive system earlier in his career, just the way Manning benefitted from having weapons.

If this is the case why is it BB hadn't had any success prior to Brady? What specifically was so perfect about those "passing systems" that helped Brady? The arguments people come up with the inflate the stature of Bill Belichick in order to tear Brady down are ridiculous.

great in passing system Tim Couch and Ryan Leaf would look like HoFers with that perfect gameplanning and playcalling

[Dave Mustaine]

Matt Cassel looked pretty decent with the great in perfect gameplanning and playcalling.

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Welker was absolutely nothing before Brady so don't list him like he's a receiving target every QB would be successful with.

Welker was awfully good that year, was he not? His history at that point has nothing to do with what he produced that year.

Brady also had 2 less interceptions, a higher comple on %, and no running back like Edgerrin James who took pressure off the passing game.

Instead, the Pats had a defense that was able to help them have better field position. I think that takes a lot of pressure off the offense as well.

The same Bill Belichick with a career record below .500 when someone other than Brady is starting? Slob Bill Belichick's knob all you want, but prior to Tom Brady his coaching career had been an abortion.

So in other words, you think Bill sucks as a coach? Because that is basically what you are saying here, that Brady entirely made Belichick.

If this is the case why is it BB hadn't had any success prior to Brady? What specifically was so perfect about those "passing systems" that helped Brady? The arguments people come up with the inflate the stature of Bill Belichick in order to tear Brady down are ridiculous.

great in passing system Tim Couch and Ryan Leaf would look like HoFers with that perfect gameplanning and playcalling

I'm not tearing Brady down at all. I'm saying that he benefitted from a good system and good playcalling, much like Manning benefitted from good weapons. Good coaching can make mediocre weapons appear solid, and vice versa, good weapons, can make mediocre coaching appear solid. Both guys had their share of benefits on the offensive end.

If you actually read what I say, I have said for a while now, that Brady is the second best QB of all time, only behind Peyton.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Matt Cassel looked pretty decent with the great in perfect gameplanning and playcalling.

Yeah he was great, he got them to the playoffs and everything.