Patriots vs. Jets game thread

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He had a higher completion % than Manning's best year, less interceptions, and his team averaged more PPG.

marginally better in those areas, yet was still less efficient overall, as evidenced by having considerably more pass attempts, and a lower QB rating. not to mention having arguably the deadliest reciever in NFL history, in Randy Moss.

to me, these stats comparing their best seasons, mainly show that Manning is a riskier passer, which fits into my point that he is superior at completing tough passes. When things seem pretty decently covered, Manning tends to try to fit passes into tight windows downfield, while Brady tends to check down if nothing is wide open.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

to me, these stats comparing their best seasons, mainly show that Manning is a riskier passer, which fits into my point that he is superior at completing tough passes. When things seem pretty decently covered, Manning tends to try to fit passes into tight windows downfield, while Brady tends to check down if nothing is wide open.

And that probably has to do with why Manning has untimely interceptions in the playoffs when he's playing defenses that capitalize on risky passes.

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And that probably has to do with why Manning has untimely interceptions in the playoffs when he's playing defenses that capitalize on risky passes.

its not that risky of a pass if Wayne ran his route correctly. a curl route is far different than fitting a pass to a guy on a seam route 20 yards downfield, splitting 2 or 3 defenders. receivers are always taught to come to the ball, and shield defenders off on curl routes. thats football basics at its finest. wayne did neither of those things.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I wasn't only talking about that game, actually I wasn't at all since that wasn't a risky throw. That's one of many untimely interceptions Manning has thrown in the playoffs.

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I wasn't only talking about that game, actually I wasn't at all since that wasn't a risky throw. That's one of many untimely interceptions Manning has thrown in the playoffs.

and that is something that he has clearly learned from, after his earlier years. he does tend to take less risks than he used to.

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Pats are not winning the SB this year


(Reverse jinx !)

[Blake]

THANK YOU.

I knew he was an overrated player since I saw his true form in Miami. So ing overrated.

Despite being undrafted, Welker has had a successful career to date. Only one player in NFL history, Gale Sayers, had more all-purpose yards in his first three NFL seasons than Welker did with the Dolphins; Welker holds the Dolphins' all-time records for total kickoff returns, kickoff return yardage, and total punt returns....

2006 season
After rumors that he would be cut during the preseason, Welker started off being the lone bright-spot of the struggling Miami Dolphins offense. Through five games, he netted a team-high 29 catches and team-high 299 yards. On October 8, he was a huge target for back-up quarterback Joey Harrington, recording a then-career high nine catches for 77 yards in a 20-10 loss to the New England Patriots. On the season, Welker had a team-best 67 receptions for 687 yards and one score. He returned 48 kickoffs for 1,048 yards (22.2 average) and 41 punts for 378 yards (9.2 average).

Ultimately, however, the Patriots decided not to use such an offer, and traded the Dolphins their 2007 second- and seventh-round draft picks for Welker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wes_Welker

The failure at trying to dog Welker just to prove your stupid point is hilarious.

[Blake]

I have watched every single Dolphins game since 2005. Including all of Welkers game. He had 1 TOUCHDOWN for all those catches. He is so overrated its not even funny.

he was undrafted, is the only receiver to have 110+ catches three years in a row (or in any 3 years), blows everyone out of the water in YAC but he is so overrated it's not funny.

your logic and your posts blow.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

he was undrafted, is the only receiver to have 110+ catches three years in a row (or in any 3 years), blows everyone out of the water in YAC but he is so overrated it's not funny.

your logic and your posts blow.

He's done the same thing Troy Brown did in New England.

[Blake]

He's done the same thing Troy Brown did in New England.

seriously, wide receiver is the most overrated position in football. A guy like Brandon Marshall should not be raping the Dolphins for $10 milly a year.

The Ravens, Pats, Giants, Saints and Bucs all won SBs with average wide or no name wide receivers.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

RB is def. most overrated. Not even a close call. It's obvious by how stupid it is to use a 1st rounder on a RB.

[Blake]

I dont know about most overrated position. I think that goes to RB.

RB is def. most overrated. Not even a close call. It's obvious by how stupid it is to use a 1st rounder on a RB.

RBs are overrated because a good line will make RBs interchangable, but I don't think so.

On a good day, RBs touch the ball 25 times a game running and receiving.

On a good day, WRs touch the ball 10 times a game receiving.

It's even worse to spend a 1st rounder on a WR

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

RBs are overrated because a good line will make RBs interchangable, but I don't think so.

On a good day, RBs touch the ball 25 times a game running and receiving.

On a good day, WRs touch the ball 10 times a game receiving.

It's even worse to spend a 1st rounder on a WR

Left tackle doesn't touch the ball at all and its way more important than either one. You said it already, RBs are interchangeable.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Idk why that was in response to my post. WRs > RBs, especially in today's pass happy NFL. Of the teams Blake listed -

Bucs - Keyshawn Johnson and Keenan McCardell were not "average". Keyshawn was a legit #1 receiver and McCardell was a solid #2. Joe Jurevious was also a great white slot receiver with size.

Saints - not average receivers at all. Outside of the one season he was injured, Colston has had 1000+ yards and 8+ TDs every year. Meachem, Henderson, Moore, Shockey and Patten aren't great but they collectively give NO a great way to spread the field out.

Giants - Toomer and Burress are not average. Toomer was always a great go to option on 3rd downs and Burress back then was still a top 15 receiver.

[Blake]

You need quality wideouts to be able to run.

No you don't.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Sure, you do.

Didn't you see teams fear David Clowney and Jerrico Cotchery early last year?

No?

Britt and Washington?

No?

Mason and Clayton?

[LnGrrrR]

Gotta say, glad Maroney's gone. Completely agree with Mono; wished we'd traded him a year or two when he still had value. Ah well.

I personally like Sammy Morris. Hard runner, reminds me of Antowain Smith. I wouldn't mind another Antowain Smith work-horse back, actually.

[LnGrrrR]

Also, I'm devastated that our third-down machine, Kevin Faulk, went down.

Question: Did we start to suck in the Jets game as soon as he went out?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

The wideout-running game theory is also why teams like Indy, AZ, Houston and SD did so well running the ball last year.

[LnGrrrR]

I don't disagree entirely, although in the time that Brady has had Moss and Welker, he still hasn't really been able to produce monster MVP level stats on a consistent basis, the way Manning has. He had that one year, where he had 1 more TD, and a little more yardage than Mannings best year, but had to throw nearly 100 more passes than Manning in order to do that.

Uhm... wasn't that "one year" the first year with Moss and Welker? And then the second year he got his knee destroyed by Bernard Pollard (or whatever his name was)? And last year he wasn't too shabby as he came back.

I wouldn't say that he can't produce monster MVP stats on a consistent basis QUITE yet. Let's see what he does this year.

[LnGrrrR]

Oh, and can we all agree we're blessed to have this awesome Brady/Manning debate? Two all-time great QBs, in a rivalry where they meet at least once annually, and it almost always has playoff implications. Pretty lucky, especially if you're a fan of one of the two teams.

[Blake]

Bucs - Keyshawn Johnson and Keenan McCardell were not "average". Keyshawn was a legit #1 receiver and McCardell was a solid #2. Joe Jurevious was also a great white slot receiver with size.

Neither of those two made the pro bowl that year.

Meachem, Henderson, Moore, Shockey and Patten aren't great

exactly.

Giants - Toomer and Burress are not average. Toomer was always a great go to option on 3rd downs and Burress back then was still a top 15 receiver.

Burress was a top 15 receiver? In a 32 team league?

do you know what average means?

Idk why that was in response to my post. WRs > RBs, especially in today's pass happy NFL.

WRs never win NFL regular season MVP awards

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[Blake]

Sure, you do.

Didn't you see teams fear David Clowney and Jerrico Cotchery early last year?

No?

Britt and Washington?

No?

Mason and Clayton?

good points.

[Blake]

Uhm... wasn't that "one year" the first year with Moss and Welker? And then the second year he got his knee destroyed by Bernard Pollard (or whatever his name was)? And last year he wasn't too shabby as he came back.

I wouldn't say that he can't produce monster MVP stats on a consistent basis QUITE yet. Let's see what he does this year.

yes, but that won't stop stretch from skewing the truth to help himself believe he is a regulator.

[Blake]

The wideout-running game theory is also why teams like Indy, AZ, Houston and SD did so well running the ball last year.

Yeah, exactly. I'm sure Olandis Gary was a quality RB when he rushed for over 1,000 yards. RB is so overrated. Arian ing Foster is dominating the NFL. I wonder why. It has nothing to do with the fact that Andre Johnson has rolled coverage to his side almost every play and they can't stack the box or add men near the LOS because Johnson will annihilate them.