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Apparently the Spurs are trying to slowly assemble an all SG roster to rival the Minnesota Points.
woah this is huge news if it comes off, he's been playing pretty well in the NBL over here, so well done to him to get a look in at an NBA club
Apparently the Spurs are trying to slowly assemble an all SG roster to rival the Minnesota Points.
Don't expect him to make the team.
Basketball aficionados laughed when the Spurs kept bringing in 6'5" players--until they realized we were trying to corner the market until there were no more available anywhere in the world.
Unfortunately for the Spurs, cornering the market in 6'5" players is sorta like collecting pennies in the hope that world copper prices will rise. Everyone has a jar full they'd love to get rid of.
Good one!
Considering how much we got burned by the Suns because of lack of shooters, I don't see any reason why Penney won't be a Spur.
Since we have too many potential signing threads, i already posted this few hours before on another one.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162414
Penney is a world class shooter. I've watched him play live a number of times and it is a genuine surprise when he misses, but he is just to limited athletically/defensively to be a legit NBA player.
Training camp fodder is right. Far too limited defensively to make the team (and this from a NZ'er). He scored a ton of pts at the World Champs but that's only cause NZ had no-one else worth a damn. He won't be able to get those looks in a NBA game.
The Spurs signed Rich Melzer from the Breakers to a training camp make good contract a couple of years back too so they obviously keep an eye down under.
Must say I thought this was a go at timvp when I saw the thread though.
Wow, 3 New Zelanders here, I never knew. Penney is a good scorer at the NBL level, where he is smart enough and athletic enough to not be too bothered by others.
I'd imagine he'd struggle to beat people at NBA level, but that wouldn't be his job. He's a really good shooter, and I'd imagine his job(If he made the team) would be to keep open, not make mistakes with the ball(He wouldn't be handling it) and shoot open 3's. He could do that job.
Issues defensively, but if he plays smart and inside a scheme, size is decent enough at SG, though he's not a SF.
Here's the problem with any spot-up shooter the Spurs bring in:
1. Timmy doesn't command the hard double teams the way he used to. It makes me sad, but it's the way things are. That lets defenders cheat out and cover the 3P shot that much quicker.
2. Parker is a scoring PG - his passing leaves something to be desired. He has a nasty habit of making his shooters stretch to take his passes. The time it takes them to reel in the pass and get their feet back under them gives defenders time to get out to the 3P line. It was less noticeable when Tim was drawing hard double teams on almost every play, but it's always been there.
Bottom line, these guys aren't getting the uncontentested 3P shots that someone like Steve Kerr got. And that's enough to take a shooter from "world class" to "adequate". I don't think anybody shoots 40%+ from the 3P line with a defender right in his face. Unless Parker has sharpened up his passing with all the work over the Summer, be prepared to be disappointed in whoever is taking those shots.
Im getting tired of the Spurs trying to be a jump shooting team..... It worked out in our favor in 07 but that was because we had some defensive minded players, mainly Bruce....
It just seems to be that EVERY player the Spurs have gone after the past 2 or 3 years, besides Splitter (already had the rights) and Blair (obvious pick from that point in the draft), is an outside spot shooter or a crappy backup point guard (they finally hit with Hill thankfully).
The whole Spurs method has been based on not scoring, but outscoring.... Meaning playing defense to limit the other teams to below 95 points or so and setup good shots for our snipers.... We can hardly limit teams like that anymore.
I know there is not alot of pickings out there for DPOY candidates, but jesus christ, there has to be SOMEONE out there, be it free agency or overseas, that is a decent defensive-minded player.... Im not asking for a Bruce Bowen, just someone who focuses primarily on Defense.
Last edited by phyzik; 09-23-2010 at 12:53 AM.
If there was a good one out there, they'd love you to point it out to em I bet.
but but but but!!!!
Im sure they would listen to our sage advice...
The thing is, out of all the choices they got... they go for another SG?
We dont need another one!
, at this point, I'd rather them take a chance on some no-name SF that knows he is coming in for defense only, than another spot-up jump shooter who will choke under pressure to make their shots.
Last edited by phyzik; 09-23-2010 at 01:02 AM.
I've been following Kirk and the rest of the tall blacks down here in New Zealand, Kirk's trial invitation is based purely on his World champs performance. Which in a sense is dissapointing from a scouting or Spurs needs perspective. Kirk is a purely a Shooting guard with limited athleticim and defensive ability. The Kiwi who actually fills the Spurs need for a defensive Small Forward. Is Thomas Abercombrie the 6'7" athletic defensive small forward who was 2nd in scoring to Kirk and led the tall black in rebounding in this last WBC. Thomas held his own agaisnt Rudy Ferrnandez and Batum in the last WBC. Although he is under contract with the Breakers of the ANBL: "Everyone that plays in the ANBL signs a collective agreement that gives them an out to play in the NBA if they get a full contract,"
NBL
Although he did win MVP....
If he makes the team, we'll have 4 former MVPs from around the globe
Duncan (NBA)
Splitter (Spanish league)
Ginobili (Italian League)
Penny (Australian league)
Am I forgetting anybody?
Abercrombie is really impressive. He's young and he's got the size of an NBA SF.
Yeah, the Spurs just need to make an additional ten or twelve baskets a game. Jesus, people, it's not called "preventabasketball". You'd think the Spurs had won les with defense or something.
I don't think it should be a straight comparison with Neal. Penney is not just a spot up shooter. He is extremely good at getting shots using screens in set plays. He is more of a poor man's Richard Hamilton. He could provide the second unit a unique scoring option.
He might not have the quickest feet on the defensive end, but he is strong and is smart.
Abercrombie lacks the explosiveness needed to get by as a pure athlete, he can jump but it is a slow jump. He would also need to bulk up to be a 3 in the NBA. His jump shot is streaky as well.
The Manu-Splitter high PnR will open the lanes.
Spurs need a serious spot-up shooter with the second unit.
Mason had plenty of opportunities, he missed just about everything last year, except vs Knicks at MSG.
Hence Neal, hence Anderson, hence Penney.
Penney was tested in a serious compe ion, Neal and Anderson not.
The question mark about Penney is defense.
To me it's actually not a question mark: he can't stay in front of any people in the NBA.
From what I read, however, he has other pluses, just sitting on a bench beside people.
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