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  1. #51
    I Aint Got No Job Gutter92's Avatar
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    ramsay has lost it….comparing kobe to some guy from the 80’s who won because the lakers & celtics were old & rebuilding is a joke…if you put a real list of the top 10 nba players of all time together; jordan would not be on it…since kobe turned 20, the bulls have won squat....

    2/10

  2. #52
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    When evaluating the art in athletics, #'s don't hold weight and context is paramount.
    Exactly!

    Medvedenko has been catching a lot of flak lately for his failure to contribute any insightful basketball discussion and his Kobe Bryant manlove that borders on obsession, but this observation is spot on accurate. Why? Because context is paramount, and when it comes to Kobe Bryant, no other player has had the context so manipulated in his favor that he always comes out looking the better.

    A recent example is a game against Dallas earlier this year. It was on a back-to-back following a loss against the Spurs. The game wound up coming down to a few crucial shots late in the 4th, one of which was made by Kobe.

    If you didn't get to watch the game that night and had to rely on Sportscenter for a recap, you would've been led to believe that Kobe was the hero of that game. The shot in question all but put the Mavericks comeback on ice and ensured victory for LA.

    But if you watched the game, you'd know that before that big shot, Kobe forced two horrible jumpers that found nothing but iron.

    There's countless examples like this. Kobe playing a sub-par game, sometimes to the detriment of his team (forcing shots, not feeding it inside, etc) but the media takes out its magic editing wand and spins events to make them appear quite differently from what actually happened. And you dumbass Kobe fanboys eat it up. I said it before and I'll say it again, "Kobe is the greatest selective memory player of all time."

    However, when Med wrote that he probably thought he was lending more credibility to the idea that Kobe Bryant far transcends statistical measurement. That said, I do agree that certain players are greater than the sum of their statistics, some are much greater. We deduce this by watching the games and trying to determine the amount of impact a player has in areas that can't be quantified.

    Now, I admit that Kobe equals more than the sum of his stats, but not by the amount some people believe.

    Fact is, Kobe's stats aren't favorable when compared to the other all time greats that are currently above him on most lists. And when you factor in his "intangibles," the sum total isn't as great as Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc. What is there to suggest that his intangibles are greater than that of his contemporaries like Wade, Duncan, or even Lebron? Because he can make a few clutch shots? Because he has great work ethic?

    Context is everything, and if the Lakers lost game 7, Kobe's 6-24 would've been vilified on the same level as Lebron's game 5 against the Celtics. But oh how the context magically changes when your team wins. Suddenly, the media's praising your 15 rebounds instead of drawing attention to your terrible shooting performance.

    Simply put, he's just not as good as the Jordan's, Bird's, Magic's, Shaq's, Duncan's, Oscar's, or Hakeem's, no matter how many more championships he wins, which if happens, will be because he's on the best team relative to the compe ion rather than because he's some indomitable force that can't be reckoned with.

    This ain't hate speaking. I have Kobe 8-10 all time depending on how I feel that day, but for me to place him any higher, it's going to have to take some truly stellar performances, namely in the Finals.
    Last edited by midnightpulp; 09-24-2010 at 01:38 AM.

  3. #53
    Ridding the world of Alien Scum...Relentlessly. Man In Black's Avatar
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    I always say, he can never be the best player at his position. Duncan already is at his, Bean can never surpass Jordan. But to say, #2 behind Jordan? That's not a bad thing.

  4. #54
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    And lol at the Kobe fanboys who invoke "expert" opinion as if means all that much.

    Like experts aren't prone to hyperbole. As early as '03, the "experts" were already calling Tim Duncan the best PF of all time, which was totally premature at that point since it was only Duncan's sixth season. Lucky for them, their prediction was vindicated, but at that particular time, it wasn't warranted.

    Thing is, the media is going to extensively knob slob the star player of the current championship team. And when it's the Lakers, that knob slobbing is going to be performed with ten times the amount of saliva than if it were another team.

    If you Kobe fanboys (namlook, KoolA.I.D.S._Man, Lakaluva, and Med) weren't such idiots, you'd understand that the media, as well as the NBA, has a vested interest in building up the Lakers and Kobe as much as they can. The reasons for this are two fold: (1) To satisfy the biggest fanbase in the NBA, ensuring their continued viewership. (2) To make the Lakers (and Kobe) into a de able enemy that opposing fans will be eager to see lose.

    This marketing strategy guarantees that ratings will be big in whatever game or playoff series the Lakers find themselves in. You'll have both camps tuning in en masse.

    And if you Kobe fans weren't so blinded by visions of his , you'd be able to see the writing on the wall.
    Last edited by midnightpulp; 09-24-2010 at 02:10 AM.

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    Expert opinions can still be homerish sometimes.

    rememba det time when Al Davis compared Jason Campbell to the great Jim Plunkett?

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    Expert opinions can still be homerish sometimes.

    rememba det time when Al Davis compared Jason Campbell to the great Jim Plunkett?

  7. #57
    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    Though the Heat doin' you dirt 4 summers ago is pretty cut & dry.

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    Though the Heat doin' you dirt 4 summers ago is pretty cut & dry.

  9. #59
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    5/7 > 6/24...


    I'll let you figure out what the 5/7 represents...
    6/24

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    Duncan, greatest PF of all time.
    Kobe, 2nd best two-guard of all time.
    That's not too shabby

    tee, hee

  11. #61
    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    Oh, yeah, this again, buddy-boy. Till the day you ring.

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    Tbh duncan is really a center, imho.....is he even top 3 there? probably not.

    He wants to be called a center because his opponent for "the best pf" is ringless malone......

    lol duncan.

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    Tbh duncan is really a center, imho.....is he even top 3 there? probably not.

    He wants to be called a center because his opponent for "the best pf" is ringless malone......

    lol duncan.
    David Robinson, Rasho Nesterovic, Nazr Mohammed, and Fabricio Oberto want to say hi.

  14. #64
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    Exactly!

    Medvedenko has been catching a lot of flak lately for his failure to contribute any insightful basketball discussion and his Kobe Bryant manlove that borders on obsession, but this observation is spot on accurate. Why? Because context is paramount, and when it comes to Kobe Bryant, no other player has had the context so manipulated in his favor that he always comes out looking the better.

    A recent example is a game against Dallas earlier this year. It was on a back-to-back following a loss against the Spurs. The game wound up coming down to a few crucial shots late in the 4th, one of which was made by Kobe.

    If you didn't get to watch the game that night and had to rely on Sportscenter for a recap, you would've been led to believe that Kobe was the hero of that game. The shot in question all but put the Mavericks comeback on ice and ensured victory for LA.

    But if you watched the game, you'd know that before that big shot, Kobe forced two horrible jumpers that found nothing but iron.

    There's countless examples like this. Kobe playing a sub-par game, sometimes to the detriment of his team (forcing shots, not feeding it inside, etc) but the media takes out its magic editing wand and spins events to make them appear quite differently from what actually happened. And you dumbass Kobe fanboys eat it up. I said it before and I'll say it again, "Kobe is the greatest selective memory player of all time."

    However, when Med wrote that he probably thought he was lending more credibility to the idea that Kobe Bryant far transcends statistical measurement. That said, I do agree that certain players are greater than the sum of their statistics, some are much greater. We deduce this by watching the games and trying to determine the amount of impact a player has in areas that can't be quantified.

    Now, I admit that Kobe equals more than the sum of his stats, but not by the amount some people believe.

    Fact is, Kobe's stats aren't favorable when compared to the other all time greats that are currently above him on most lists. And when you factor in his "intangibles," the sum total isn't as great as Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc. What is there to suggest that his intangibles are greater than that of his contemporaries like Wade, Duncan, or even Lebron? Because he can make a few clutch shots? Because he has great work ethic?

    Context is everything, and if the Lakers lost game 7, Kobe's 6-24 would've been vilified on the same level as Lebron's game 5 against the Celtics. But oh how the context magically changes when your team wins. Suddenly, the media's praising your 15 rebounds instead of drawing attention to your terrible shooting performance.

    Simply put, he's just not as good as the Jordan's, Bird's, Magic's, Shaq's, Duncan's, Oscar's, or Hakeem's, no matter how many more championships he wins, which if happens, will be because he's on the best team relative to the compe ion rather than because he's some indomitable force that can't be reckoned with.

    This ain't hate speaking. I have Kobe 8-10 all time depending on how I feel that day, but for me to place him any higher, it's going to have to take some truly stellar performances, namely in the Finals.

    dude that sounds like a great deal..thanks for offering but no thanks my man...I don't need anymore right now...come back in 3 yrs though I may want to buy some from you then. You a dam good salesman though...I imagine you started out throwing newspapers in your neighborhood. Anyways before you leave just wanted to mention that it looks as if your pants have a large hole in the back...might want to get that checked out before ass really starts hanging out...

  15. #65
    O & 44!!! Now, go back &
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    Tbh duncan is really a center, imho.....is he even top 3 there? probably not.

    He wants to be called a center because his opponent for "the best pf" is ringless malone......

    lol duncan.
    Odor, hittin' 'em in their soft spot & ruinin' their Friday.

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    If ya know like I know, you don't wanna step to this
    It's the G-Funk era, Cully aint nothin but a
    If ya smoke like I smoke then you're high like every day
    And if yo ass is a busta, Mav Krew will regulate

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    dude that sounds like a great deal..thanks for offering but no thanks my man...I don't need anymore right now...come back in 3 yrs though I may want to buy some from you then. You a dam good salesman though...I imagine you started out throwing newspapers in your neighborhood. Anyways before you leave just wanted to mention that it looks as if your pants have a large hole in the back...might want to get that checked out before ass really starts hanging out...
    Hey playa playa, I've been lookin' for yo ole ass fo some time now. OGBobby done told me that you done found yoself a boyfriend now??? Mane, you done ed up now, ya see, the last time I was pimpin yo ass out, I was just collectin' off of yo dirty stanky in da booty ass. In fact, you liked black so much that you stole 10,000 of my motha in money just so you could have a sex change and bleach yourself white, I didn't get why you kept saying "If only I was a white girl"..But ok money, I told my Kobe Bean Bryant about yo good good, and he say he want in on it, and since I know it's you dream for that Kobe , I'll give you another chance. Only this time, you ain't just taking it in the ass, you gone be tossing some salads too playa playa. I have 34 playas who paid upfront 1,000 each for that koolaid ass, so get ready my , and bring ALOT of ranch.

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    Odor, hittin' 'em in their soft spot & ruinin' their Friday.
    thnx 4 all da youtube hits man!! you da best 4realz tho. yea sux i wont be comin to phx 4 muh tour but i'll be in la at the end of october so you shud def come see me there. i'll prully make an appearance at one of da mallz. is there a chuckbox in la?

  19. #69
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    No, Chuckbox is indigenous to Tempe, Arizona.

    You got an Ed Debevic's there in Los Angeles that I'd drive across for if I can ever get Katie-girl not to insist on taggin' along.

  20. #70
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    Already checked his asshole, Cully. Definitely, big enough for the both of us.

    tee, hee

  21. #71
    You fucked up old hag
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    Hey HeatBurn305, do you know of any good places to pick up 12 year olds?

  22. #72
    3 1/2 & Forever! HeatBurn305's Avatar
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    Hey HeatBurn305, do you know of any good places to pick up 12 year olds?
    Me and Cully like to wait at the Chuckbox, luva waiting alongside with the chloroform mask.

    Let us proceed....

  23. #73
    You fucked up old hag
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    Can I come next time? I love checking some good 12 year old asshole.

  24. #74
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    Hey HeatBurn305, do you know of any good places to pick up 12 year olds?
    :fishin

    Yes jess kent dew teengks like dat!


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    Me and Cully like to wait at the Chuckbox, luva waiting alongside with the chloroform mask.

    Let us proceed....
    I hate when master makes me to walk all the way to the Chuckbox

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