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    This rule sucks. It's all subjective and it gives the ref's too much control over the game.
    If another "rogue" official got loose, think this rule might make it a little easier to point shave or control the outcome of a game? For a league that just went through the Donaghy scandal, the deciaion to allow officials to arbitrarily drop technicals with no real structure is beyond ignorant. Nice going Stern...you've basically left the game fixing key under the doormat.

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    SI.com is using Duncan on the front page for their story.

    Disaster in the making: NBA to penalize players' reactions to refs
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    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...als/index.html

    Will a young referee be willing to hit top players, like Tim Duncan, with a technical every time he questions a call?


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    So is ESPN.

    Seven technical thoughts
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    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...nical-thoughts

    This kind of complaining has been rubbing people the wrong way.


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    while i agree that there is too much whining in general, i dislike the way the NBA adds rules every season (like someone mentioned, only to ignore them a couple months in), and I dislike the fact that it is such a vague rule that it has a 99% probability of being abused depending on the player's rep. The only this can work IMO is if you are ultra strict, like if you T up any response that goes beyond asking for a clarification between free throws. anything short of that and we'll get the same as before, with a few arbitrary Ts thrown in.

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    Go back and watch Duncan in 2001. When he gets called for a foul he doesn't even look at the ref. I think the Spurs started to turn into crybabies when five oh left. I'd be surprised if Duncan gets more than one tech in the first month of the season. He'll just read the rules and adapt.

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    And anybody who says that kind of is "part of basketball at any level" clearly hasn't played basketball at any level.

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    I don't like the rule because it leaves too much room for interpretation and because lesser status players will eventually be singled out more. If it can curtail players from screaming "Oh, " or "That's a Foul" (Timmy favorite line) or even grunting or screaming to try and get a call then it's an improvement. I just worry these referees are too subjective and will pick on certain players.

    Edit: Apparently this rule will only pertain to emotional reactions toward foul calls and non-calls. Why not rid the game of over-exaggeration of contact through physical and verbal reaction? That definitely bothers me more when Duncan, Bryant or LeBron do it.
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    The league should put more effort into getting their personal foul calls consistent. Instead, they made up new guidelines for technical fouls that are going to be just as arbitrary as charge/block, travelling, or lane violations are already.

    All this means is that any time a player irritates you, drop a T on them. The rest of the time, from every other player, let the same go.

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    Go back and watch Duncan in 2001. When he gets called for a foul he doesn't even look at the ref. I think the Spurs started to turn into crybabies when five oh left. I'd be surprised if Duncan gets more than one tech in the first month of the season. He'll just read the rules and adapt.

    I agree that Duncan early in his career was much less of a cry baby. And yeah, Timmy today is a ing cry baby and there is no way around it.

    I don't think it had anything to do with Robinson, however. I think Timmy got a rep of being stoic and complained a few times and got tangible results. He saw that it worked and kept using it.

    Its pretty crazy how when Duncan came into the league he was known as one of the less emotional players in the game - I remember articles about stoicism in reference to him - and now he's known as a cry baby. Its detracted from his game, IMO.

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    I agree that Duncan early in his career was much less of a cry baby. And yeah, Timmy today is a ing cry baby and there is no way around it.

    I don't think it had anything to do with Robinson, however. I think Timmy got a rep of being stoic and complained a few times and got tangible results. He saw that it worked and kept using it.

    Its pretty crazy how when Duncan came into the league he was known as one of the less emotional players in the game - I remember articles about stoicism in reference to him - and now he's known as a cry baby. Its detracted from his game, IMO.

    It's annoying and childish at times, especially how the Crawford incident escalated. It does seem to take him out of the game mentally at times. The irony is that many still consider him as a robot, but he whines and complains with the best of them. I believe he's slowed down with the complaining a little, but he still can overact to calls. Hopefully, this enforcement will make him readjust his approach and Manu as well.

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    They come out with like this almost every year. It gets enforced for about a month then its back to status quo.
    Yes, I don't think much will change. They're just telling fans what they want to hear.

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    Manu joins Duncan on this list.

    NBA's Notorious Whiners
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    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mul...content.2.html

    Tim Duncan
    A four-time NBA champion, Duncan is known for his quiet and unassuming ways on the court. Unfortunately, he's also known for complaining about calls.

    Manu Ginobili
    The Spurs' sixth man has mastered the art of whining without getting caught: He received only one technical last season, which was later rescinded after league review.

    *********************

    The rest of the whiners.

    Kobe Bryant
    LeBron James
    Paul Pierce
    Kendrick Perkins
    Ray Allen
    Josh Smith
    Carmelo Anthony
    Dwight Howard
    Amar'e Stoudemire

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    Go back and watch Duncan in 2001. When he gets called for a foul he doesn't even look at the ref. I think the Spurs started to turn into crybabies when five oh left. I'd be surprised if Duncan gets more than one tech in the first month of the season. He'll just read the rules and adapt.
    That has everything to do with him being a "veteran" in this league and being used to getting those calls in the past that he feels the NBA is no longer giving him. When the officiating is so inconsistent from year to year you are going to have players who think " I got this call every game last year (or the past 10 years of my career) and now all of a sudden I'm not". It's just as much the NBA's fault than it is the players.

    That type of at ude also comes from winning championships. Kobe and Phil Jackson are the same way.

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    I have never seen Manu consistently complain about officiating calls.

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