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Darrin, with or without unions we would be in the same situation therefore they are ancillary. Very, very, simple concept.
Green cars (we have the car factories)
Clothes for obese people (we have the models)
Pornography (a growing industry in the country)
Bongs, pipes (manufacturing jobs for drug felons)
CliffNotes, SparkNotes (lord knows, we don't read)
Eh, there's nothing we can't fuck up somehow
Darrin, with or without unions we would be in the same situation therefore they are ancillary. Very, very, simple concept.
Nobody can compete with the Chinese if by "compete" you mean employ labor for pennies an hour.
According to Darrin without unions thats exactly what American workers would be working for.
Well we do have a minimum wage that republicans hate. No surprise there.
right, unions, almost absent from US mfring, demanding their droplets of the trickle-down have destroyed the US manufacturing base.
Solution: manufacturing workers should accept the same pay and benefits as Asian workers.
btw, China Communists, in the Workers' Paradise, are even better as preventing/busting unions than American capitalists.
No matter what system you work in, the oligarchs will you.
Whats up Darrin, did the hamster finally turn the wheel fast enough for you to connect the dots?
People who think that products from China are of good quality, are too young to have purchased clothing, shoes, tools or furniture from the same companies who used to have factories in the U.S.A.
Unions (not to be confused with state workers) raise the bar to working conditions & fair compensation…If you are employed & have health benefits, thank a trade union…
Who (besides you) says Republicans hate the minimum wage?
The minimum wage is a joke anyway. You can't live on that even with a Chinese standard of living. Its not about standard of living, its about COST of living and that is something Darrinbot hasn't had written into his script yet.
For someone to maintain a US standard of living in China would they need as much money as they would in the United States? Of course not.
lol, really?
How often do you see Democrats holding up minimum wage increases?
You are ing ignorant. The minimum wage increase to $7.25 was overwhelmingly approved. It wasn't a Democrat vs. Republican vote. Idiot.
7.25x40 = 290 x 52 = 15,080/12 = 1256.66 dollars a month.
Thats a mighty high standard of living.
"7.25x40"
And because they can't make it on 40, a lot of those people are putting in 60 x or 80 x $7.25 per week. And of course, no benefits, no holiday, no nothing, sorta like illegal immigrants picking fruit and veg.
Then they get to sit all weekend (what's left of it, if anything), in the county hospital ER with their sick kid, since they can't afford $90/visit to Tex Med Clinic.
Here's a great trickle down story. Dr Pepper Snapple buys Mott's, and then demands a $3K/year wage cut for a highly profitable company (which is why they bought it).
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-e...tml?view=print
lol, you exposed yourself again, you ing re .
It's always Democrat vs. Republican. Check the House vote, then check all the tax cuts that had to be loaded into it to get passage. Then check the the year after year of republicans trying to shoot down even a vote on it.
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What a dumbass you are, CosmicCowboy. You don't know anything about the legislative process or the history of minimum wage even though you're probably someone who has lived off it. Well done, you typical republican dolt.
Don't be bitter. I'm sure you'll get that nickel raise after you have been there for a year.
I don't get it. It was easier to link to the earlier thread? Rly?
Paraphrasing your own remark was either out of the question or did not arise I guess.
To take this in a different direction;
Americans can and do build some of the best things in the world, except I think you are referring to building something in mass quan ies to actually make America prosperous again.
It is not that we are incapable-it is that we are looking to get the lowest priced item-but it does NOT have to continue this way.
Things run in cycles and right now we are in an age of quan y over quality.
Here's an example of american superiority;
Musical instruments made by small boutique companies.
You can go buy a mass produced guitar or amp and pay anywhere from 69 to 5,000 dollars and it will probably be built somewhere in korea, china or some other country.
The instrument will probably work okay for 1-5 years--maybe longer. For example an amplifier made by Fender will still sound pretty cool and it will have a printed circuit board, sub-par parts,screws, wires, plywood or particle board,etc...
For a few dollars more;
You can order an amp from an American boutique company like Carr Amplifiers, Vintage Sound Amps (I own one of their amps) , Victoria Amps, etc.
...and your order will be taken by the amp builder himself, the amp company OWNER himself and he will discuss exactly how he builds them, why he builds them and will tell you how long before it is done, may email you some pictures of the amp build in progress,etc
...and this amp will be built using the EXACT procedures and circuit designs that LEO FENDER himself used in the 1950's, will contain a hand-wired chassis instead of a printed circuit board, a solid pine cabinet instead of particle board,etc...
every piece and part of the amp will be built from the best and highest quality parts --built in America...
the cost of the Fender with inferior parts and mass produced assembly line quality (or lack of quality) will cost around , say- 1200 dollars and will be discounted to about 999 at your nearest guitar center...
the boutique amp will cost around 1500-1600 dollars shipped to your door and will last a lifetime and carry a long warranty--some builders even make the warranty transferable to the next owner--and will go for 10 years strong or more.
Now, the question is...do you want to own something built right and pay a little more--or do you want to save a few bucks in the front end and pay for it after it breaks down a few times?
In today's America--unfortunately--people want to be cheap...
But someday the wheel will come full circle and people will start to want to own something that was built by someone they actually met and will want something built that will last a lifetime--and in the process maybe the pride of American built craftsmanship will once again lead the rest of the world.
The same example applies in guitar making.
There's still quite a few things made in America. Here's a site that track that stuff down for those interested: http://www.stillmadeinusa.com/
The actual problem with this is multi-faceted: The political power in China manipulates their currency so their citizens can't really improve their cost of living. The same political power holds a tight grip on the population so they can't rebel against that.
The bolded part makes no sense at all, unless you're advocating moving to an economic system similar to China, which would necessarily need to include an oppressive government and all.
Quality can be preferable to lower cost, but if the market demands a lower cost, it can be hard to grow past the niche who appreciate the quality.
The quality simple isn't necessary on a large scale. For a nearly 200% increase in price that you noted on guitar amps you're not going to see a 200% increase in performance or reliability. Most people wouldn't notice the difference in those amps.
Its not about being cheap, its about not needing the extra amount that costs you a large deal.
If it's made in America, it will cost more. That is all I am saying.
No, thats not all you're saying. You blamed it on unions. If that was all you were saying you would never have brought up unions. You don't even know what the you're saying because you're so god damn stupid.
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