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IMO the only thing you have is better graphics... IMO consoles are better because I don't have to sit there and check the side of the box to see if I can run the game and have to buy a new video card to do so.
Actually no I'm not.. I'm saying if I actually perfered that control setup I can go and get it.. I'm saying that saying that PC is better because of a mouse and keyboard is pretty void because it's not something that can solely be used on a PC.. It's basically the same arguement as when someone said that they can play on a 50 inch tv because of being on a console and the pc guy came back saying so can I..
That's my point exactly.. something that I can use on my console isn't a good reason for you to claim the PC is better because you can use it and it's more common.
IMO the only thing you have is better graphics... IMO consoles are better because I don't have to sit there and check the side of the box to see if I can run the game and have to buy a new video card to do so.
Besides the fact that everyone I personally know plays live
I'm pretty skeptical of how well a M&K will run on a console, as the games are designed to run natively on a joystick.
And I've yet to meet a single person who does this.That's my point exactly.. something that I can use on my console isn't a good reason for you to claim the PC is better because you can use it and it's more common.
I can build a PC for $350 that will run any game around today. Sorry -- the cost advantage is an old argument and not applicable anymore. Once again, PCs win due to the number of options they give you. You can spend a little and get a fully functioning computer that also games, or you can spend more and get a system that will destroy either the Ps3 or 360.IMO the only thing you have is better graphics... IMO consoles are better because I don't have to sit there and check the side of the box to see if I can run the game and have to buy a new video card to do so.
I have 32 friends online on Steam right now. I don't understand what point you're attempting to make besides, "Well people I know play 360 so that makes it better."
Why is the point hard to get.. I very rarely ever have met anyone that plays on a PC.. everyone I know plays 360.. thus I would obvoiusly perfer the 360 to a PC and have little to no interest in playing on the PC..
Do you walk around asking people if they game on PC? How would you expect to meet PC gamers if you own a 360 and only game with other people who have a 360?
The question is, "Which system offers the best gameplay experience?" Having a lot of friends that play 360 does not mean it's a superior system.
It actually runs pretty smoth.. the only issue is that you have to map the keys right.
And yeah you have .. as I said the mouse isn't really just a pc thing.. it is to those that don't know how to use the internet to find other options of control on a console I guess.
Didn't know about the prices.. and if I were to have to build the thing I have zero interest.
How would I expect to meet other PC owners if I'm not on a PC? I don't know.. the way I meet other people in life maybe? Do I have to be a cook to meet people that know how to cook?
The question is as you said which offers the better gaming experience.. playing with those people that I know (and I met these people in real life not on xbox live.. so it just happened that they use live and not stream) is a better gaming experience to me.. thus I don't perfer a PC.
As I said you got graphics ... otherwise I fail to see what is better.
Actually I'll edit that.. I am jealous of the user created content that the PC allows for a game.. that is probably the biggest thing that I would be jealous over.
Dedicated servers
Much larger variety of games to play
Huge advantage in portable gaming
Better/more communication options
And perhaps most importantly: Open communities to join. I have only been playing Starcraft II for a few weeks, but I can already safely say that there is NOTHING on console that has the following it does. You can literally immerse yourself 24/7 in Starcraft alone, watching pro matches, watching replays of matches of all skill levels, channels where people are just podcasting information and tournament results, massive, sprawling internet forums for chatting with other players, discussing tactics, etc. Now, of course there are Halo/360 forums, but how do you typically access them? Via a computer, of course.
And the communities aren't nearly as robust. I am a novice at SCII, but I have already been webcast in a King of the Hill match for anyone on the internet to see. It was given play-by-play commentary by some experienced SCII vets who offered me tips to improve my play.
This is, of course, to say nothing about the impact that WoW has had on social gaming.
i like the feel of the control in my hand a lot better. this isn't even arguable for me. it's the main reason that, TO ME, it's superior. i'm not going to try to convince someone who likes the way something feels that he's wrong, because that's ridiculous.
Which is obviously a completely acceptable rationale for preferring console. However, that is a subjective assessment and does not give any weight to which control dynamic is better. I think a M+K is far more comfortable, because I never have to struggle to get my character to do what I want him to instantly.
Don't you realize the mouse and keyboard invariably feel better once you get used to them? It's not a matter of opinion, for the most part. So I'm not disagreeing with your statement, just saying that due to the way human hand-eye coordination works, and the much broader range of movement allowed, mouse and keyboard always allow much easier control. It's more physics than opinion.
Second, someone asked if I said you are a casual gamer. I don't know, I asked you. No, I don't think all console gamers are casual gamers, but I do think there is a strong correlation between "hardcore" gamers and the PC interface due to its superior technology and controls.
Third, why do console gamers flaunt the "social" aspect of console gaming? Have they never heard of a LAN party, or gaming cafe? The social aspect of PC gaming is less "convenient", I concede; but much more able to carry out its prerogative. Consoles generally are limited to 16 players, so 4 systems on 4 TV's being shared over a network. A typical PC game allows at least double that amount of players, and some far, far more. It has access to generally FREE internet services save the one line being paid for, which can be shared by all. ALL the players locally can play online together without needing to pay any individual fees, provided the host has a good connection and router. And that's discounting the fact there's regular local, social events for PC gamers all over the globe - and the outrageously dedicated, sometimes very large online communities that console gamers typically do not take place in(imo).
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I game at my house by myself most times. However, most of my gaming takes place with my brothers at their house. We often have my 2 brothers, my nephew, a cousin, my mom's boyfriend or my younger brother's best friend over on various occasions. It's so much more fun to just joke with each other and play games in the same room without having multiple consoles or TVs.
That's something someone who LOVES gaming and the tech specs gets into. I don't find any particular joy in that. Fact is, I bet most people don't really care. Just because it's important to you doesn't mean it's important to everyone. Not to mention, if you're not sober, having those intricate controls means .Or getting better and enjoying the accomplishment of pushing a game to the limit. Or having fun because you're learning a more powerful, eloquent control mechanic.
I'm not sore about iPhone vs Evo threads. You're arguing about PCs the same way you argue about the Evo. Just because you like, it has to be the best. Not to mention, I've said numerous times I have an iPhone because I have AT&T.And the stereotypical Halo/Madden gamer is a beer guzzling fratboy. We can play that game. Way to argue the points instead of resorting to insults -- oh wait, that's right, you've never been able to do that. Just keep arguing in favor of hype and ad hominem attacks instead of substance. It's pretty obvious that you're still a little sore over the iPhone vs. Evo threads.
And like those threads, you're bringing an argument that has no place in this thread into it. You're arguing about PCs when no one really cares because it's a Halo: Reach thread, strictly a 360 game. You would talk about your Evo in an iPhone thread, then claim you weren't starting . Again, inferiority complex is showing.
As for the frat boy "dig", thanks for supporting my point. Halo users tend to be people who like social gaming. I like being able to gather friends in the same room and have fun. Talking on mics is okay, but I'm a people person who likes face to face interaction infinitely more.
I use my iPhone more than I use my computer these days. Major fail.What are you talking about? When is the last time you logged onto facebook or a chat client through your console? A PC is THE pinnacle communication tool in the history of our species, and you're saying it bows to a console in the ability to be social and interact with other people?
By the way, what tool are you using to communicate to me with right now? Is it your Xbox? No? Why not? I thought it was social friendly?
Okay, but I can do all of that too, with the people sitting right next to me, instead of posting messages and talking on mics. Again, having a friend in the room is much more social than over the internet. There's not screen to hide behind.If you don't mind me, I'll just get back to talking to my friends on steam who are all playing a different game right now and debating how good Civ 5 is, if Zerg are underpowered, and if we want to get together this weekend to grab a couple beers. You know, because I can post a message on these forums, chat to friends, and game at the same time on a PC.
Actually, yes. When talking MW2, the question being asked was, "What do you game with?" Then we segregated into groups by consoles and PCs. BTW, PCs were almost non existent. I think we had 1 guy who played COD4 on PC and that was it.
The question is, "Which system offers the best gameplay experience?" Having a lot of friends that play 360 does not mean it's a superior system.
And the real question wasn't even a question, but more of a statement. It's at the top and says "Halo Reach is out."
So why is there PC talk in a thread about a 360 le?
Again. That's the definition of casual gaming. You could throw on SNES with Super Bomberman and have a blast. It's not a legitimate argument to make that consoles are superior in this regard, because we're talking about gaming at a high level of play.
And most people are idiots. Most people are walking around with those white iPod earbuds in their ears still -- does that mean they are the best headphone on the market? Now, obviously the 360 is a very quality system, so I'm not comparing it vs. the iBuds, I'm just making the point that what the general public knows and cares about is an illogical argument to make.That's something someone who LOVES gaming and the tech specs gets into. I don't find any particular joy in that. Fact is, I bet most people don't really care. Just because it's important to you doesn't mean it's important to everyone. Not to mention, if you're not sober, having those intricate controls means .
To respond to something else... you don't love gaming? Really? So why are you arguing the point?
And I'm stating very concrete reasons why I think so. You are welcome to refute them. This is how debate works. You stating that "PC gamers are lonely losers" is a far lower, baseless tactic to attempt to give credence to your viewpoint. Most PC gamers I know are very well socially integrated with a lot of friends, g/fs, etc. The idea that they are fat coke bottle glasses wearing geeks is rather silly, considering about 10 years ago that's exactly how console gamers were perceived. Ah, but society has accepted them, so we're the "cool" kids now if we have a Ps3/360.I'm not sore about iPhone vs Evo threads. You're arguing about PCs the same way you argue about the Evo. Just because you like, it has to be the best. Not to mention, I've said numerous times I have an iPhone because I have AT&T.
Nice try. I didn't start this. Phyzik did on page 4, and as usual console fanboys were stating inaccuracies about PC gaming. People felt the need to respond and start the debate. I was just correcting mistakes.And like those threads, you're bringing an argument that has no place in this thread into it. You're arguing about PCs when no one really cares because it's a Halo: Reach thread, strictly a 360 game. You would talk about your Evo in an iPhone thread, then claim you weren't starting . Again, inferiority complex is showing.
I've already said that consoles are better for having a few people over to party with. I think a LAN party is even better, though.As for the frat boy "dig", thanks for supporting my point. Halo users tend to be people who like social gaming. I like being able to gather friends in the same room and have fun. Talking on mics is okay, but I'm a people person who likes face to face interaction infinitely more.
Ah, so because you use your iPhone more, that discounts the entire computer revolution of the past 20 years and how the digital age has changed the way people communicate.I use my iPhone more than I use my computer these days. Major fail.
I guess it doesn't count when I take my laptop over to my friends house to game because we're on separate screens?Okay, but I can do all of that too, with the people sitting right next to me, instead of posting messages and talking on mics. Again, having a friend in the room is much more social than over the internet. There's not screen to hide behind.
Well when I go into MY group of friends, blah blah blah....
I can't believe people on Spurstalk still think that a single example is enough to base an entire argument on a topic like this. Well, MY friend survived Ebola, so that obviously means it's not a deadly disease!
Great, which is why I was just casually browsing the thread until I saw someone make statements that aren't true.And the real question wasn't even a question, but more of a statement. It's at the top and says "Halo Reach is out."
Why are you responding to the PC talk and then complaining that there is too much of it? You are propagating the very thing you're accusing me for being wrong of. If you don't want to talk about it because it's a Halo thread, by all means that's a legitimate reason. Don't argue with me over several posts and then break out the "Hur hur Halo thread u shuldnt post" BS because you don't have any legitimate reasons other than being able to see your friends when you play, which has already been refuted and trumped, since you can't game in a cafe with a 360.So why is there PC talk in a thread about a 360 le?
Basically, I'm bringing real points and advantages, and you can't respond with anything of substance so you're arguing semantics and throwing a fit about PC gamers all being socially inept and the le of the thread. Nice job.
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i've never had a probelm trying to control my guy in FPS to the point where i've said, "damn, i wish i had a mouse" EXCEPT in one game: Fallout 3. clunky controls. otherwise, i get around just fine. and you act like i've never played PC before. i've played a lot. played Rogue Spear for about three years at one point. played Swat 3. Counterstrike. i've had no desire to stick to FPS on PC when i could have. i'm more comfortable with a control.
not to mention the fact that, like i said befoer, i like to just kick back when i'm playing my x-box. i usually sit on a sofa that's 10 or so feet from the t.v. and have a body positioned in a way that would make it hard if not impossible to use a keyboard and mouse.
Anytime I have had an issue I just went to options and upped the sensitivity.
BTW I suck ass at Halo online.. obviously starting with halo reach I am behind 90 percent of the people online and I'm a gigantic noob.
That's an interesting point. One theoretically could do the same with m+kb, but with much more difficulty.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but you can use a 360 controller for certain windows branded PC games, no? Or at least some sort of a handheld controller?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...136-Halo-Reach
"Not within spunking distance of classic territory."
Too true.
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