If you see the world in terms of Left & Right, you really aren’t seeing the world

[Winehole23]

Thank goodness. my power ring needs the break.

[Parker2112]

I don't recall making that as a certainty that I would do so. I'm curious, but it's not a pressing issue to me. I'm at a loss of what to call you, but it's similar to being a hypochondriac.

We all make mistakes and I've eaten crow a few times. More often lately than in the past. I'm getting sloppy because I'm not taking the time needed to clearly think of the numerous threads. I simply don't have the time to look things up or make a call to the Rockwood Public utilities Commission. I find it really comical that you think you have won arguments around here though.

See if you can follow this:
If you post a story on Obama's approach to small businesses, and then spend 10 pages or more calling it out as unsound fiscal policy, what would happen if I jump in and say you are clearly a racist.

?

I would lose, regardless whether you're argument on fiscal policy was sound or not, because I havent even taken the time to involve myself in the discussion. I just want to sling all over the thread.

Winehole or Cry Havoc did the equivalent: they have yet to touch on substantive issues, and yet they are butt-hurt because their respectively weak "conspiracy" dismissals have been slapped down in turn.

I didnt win on the issues. I didnt have to.. They never got off their asses and read the thread.

[Parker2112]

more like my:

[Winehole23]

Your own posts amount to little more than slinging by your very own admission. You admitted you're too lazy to verify/refute your own sources but instead rely on other posters to do your own homework for you.

But when they take a dump on you, what do you say?

You're lazy!

Your arguments are worthless!

You're just slinging !

[Parker2112]

Your own posts amount to little more than slinging by your very own admission. You admitted you're too lazy to verify/refute your own sources but instead rely on other posters to do your own homework for you.

But when they take a dump on you, what do you say?

All this generalization is nauseating.

Please point to my slinging. Please point to sources you find incredible. Please point to any argument you made on anything of substance. Please point to the same made by me. Please point to a credible post made by you or cry havoc which contains the word "conspiracy."

I will wait.

[Winehole23]

Buddy, you've been slinging since word one here.

[Winehole23]

You never made any argument of substance in your own words.

[Winehole23]

And you hawk lame conspiracies.

[Winehole23]

Anyone who doubts it can just read what you write around here every day.

[Winehole23]

Nite.

[Parker2112]

All this generalization is nauseating.

Please point to my slinging. Please point to sources you find incredible. Please point to any argument you made on anything of substance. Please point to the same made by me. Please point to a credible post made by you or cry havoc which contains the word "conspiracy."

I will wait.

Or just hock up lame excuses.

Buddy, you've been slinging since word one here.

You never made any argument of substance in your own words.

And you hawk lame conspiracies.

Anyone who doubts it can just read what you write around here every day.

Nite.

wtf do you know...WH cant put together a single credible retort.

Youre not what I thought you were mane.

[boutons_deux]

The problem with this boutons, is that the haves have infiltrated both sides of the isle. The have nots dont have meaningful representation on either.

I didn't say anything about Repugs or Dems.

The Repugs have traditionally "conserved" the status quo of the Protestant White Haves, while the Dems have traditionally represented the Havenots, eg, unions/laborers, and newly arrived Jews, Catholics, Hispanics, blacks wanting a chance to HaveMore, aka, The American Dream.

The key reason that America is ed is that the HaveNots have nobody in wealthy DC on their side, so the lower 95% will continue to get ed, marginalized, and duped by the Haves into believing the problem is govt while the real problem is that govt is owned and operated by the Haves.

[Winehole23]

(braaap)

[Winehole23]

Youre not what I thought you were mane.

I'm so hurt.

[Parker2112]

I didn't say anything about Repugs or Dems.

The Repugs have traditionally "conserved" the status quo of the Protestant White Haves, while the Dems have traditionally represented the Havenots, eg, unions/laborers, and newly arrived Jews, Catholics, Hispanics, blacks wanting a chance to HaveMore, aka, The American Dream.

The a key reason that America is ed is that the HaveNots have nobody in wealthy DC on their side, so the lower 95% will continue to get ed, marginalized, and duped by the Haves into believing the problem is govt while the real problem is that govt is owned and operated by the Haves.

what would you say is the best shot at correction?

[Parker2112]

I'm so hurt.

big scheme, wgaff...

[Winehole23]

You do, for some reason.

[boutons_deux]

what would you say is the best shot at correction?

There is no way to correct America. The Haves have won. GAMEOVER

[Parker2112]

There is no way to correct America. The Haves have won. GAMEOVER

I thought you might say that

[word]

Re: If you see the world in terms of Left & Right, you really aren’t seeing the world ?

I agree that if you see politics in everything, you're probably an idiot.

Both sides of OUR political system do things I can't stand, and they both do things I agree with.

One thing I can't STAND in people is knee-jerk reactions to what politicans do, based on their political affiliation. These 'Obama is an evil communist' people are just as stupid as 'Bush is a Nazi' people were.

The problems we have are, in my view, caused by the phenomena of politicians providing ever increasing social programs, having a huge military budget, funding ridiculous programs and research, while not having the balls to raise the taxes necessary to pay for them all because they know they won't get re-elected if they do.

That phenomena has nothing, zip, to do with which political party it is. If they all had to pay as they go, with the necessary taxes, that would separate the wheat from the chaff pretty quickly.

[101A]

Actually, every time I read one of the repug reposts from Fox news, I tend to think the exact same thing...what a blind oversimplification.

Fox's tendency to blame most everything on Obama, muslims, liberals, illegals, Nancy Pelosi and terrorists doesnt even come close to telling the story of our demise.

How ed are we until blind supporters of both the left/right wake up and stop insisting on the party line on every issue.

Exactly.

The Right contingent on this board consists of the some of the most blindly-loyal brainwashed posters on ST politics forum.

Not all members of the contingent are.

and...

The posters on the left are just as bad.

[101A]

Re: If you see the world in terms of Left & Right, you really aren’t seeing the world ?

I agree that if you see politics in everything, you're probably an idiot.

Both sides of OUR political system do things I can't stand, and they both do things I agree with.

One thing I can't STAND in people is knee-jerk reactions to what politicans do, based on their political affiliation. These 'Obama is an evil communist' people are just as stupid as 'Bush is a Nazi' people were.

The problems we have are, in my view, caused by the phenomena of politicians providing ever increasing social programs, having a huge military budget, funding ridiculous programs and research, while not having the balls to raise the taxes necessary to pay for them all because they know they won't get re-elected if they do.

That phenomena has nothing, zip, to do with which political party it is. If they all had to pay as they go, with the necessary taxes, that would separate the wheat from the chaff pretty quickly.

Good post.

And if the problem is the politicians worried about reelection if they do what is necessary - it really isn't the politicians who are the problem, is it?

[word]

The one bright light I see, and this has nothing to do with the particular candidates or party, but we're seeing more compe ive primaries. It was very disheartening in past elections to see the in bents running against either no one or someone that is pretty close to no one. The party would put up some 'cannon fodder' candidate that really, was no different per se, than the in bent. There was no diversity IN the individual parties.

For the system to work, there has to be a vigorous debate WITHIN the parties instead of the 'back room deals' of 'okay this is our candidate'.

We've got to get away from these monolithic party platforms and get some more diversity of ideas WITHIN the parties individually.

Otherwise, what happens is, you hate what you have, but if you dont' vote for them you feel like you're voting for the enemy.

You have to have a healthy vigorous primary process with multiple candidates for the system to work otherwise, no one is willing to toss out the in bents.

[Parker2112]

The one bright light I see, and this has nothing to do with the particular candidates or party, but we're seeing more compe ive primaries. It was very disheartening in past elections to see the in bents running against either no one or someone that is pretty close to no one. The party would put up some 'cannon fodder' candidate that really, was no different per se, than the in bent. There was no diversity IN the individual parties.

For the system to work, there has to be a vigorous debate WITHIN the parties instead of the 'back room deals' of 'okay this is our candidate'.

We've got to get away from these monolithic party platforms and get some more diversity of ideas WITHIN the parties individually.

Otherwise, what happens is, you hate what you have, but if you dont' vote for them you feel like you're voting for the enemy.

You have to have a healthy vigorous primary process with multiple candidates for the system to work otherwise, no one is willing to toss out the in bents.

good call.

[boutons_deux]

"more compe ive primaries"

competing in primaries, even winning primaries, isn't winning office.

winning office won't change anything (for the better).

eg, 535 seats in Congress, how many will tea baggers, or any extremist fringes, win?

They'll all be freshman, no power beyond their handful of votes, and they always vote against Dem legislation and for Repug legislation.

iow, NO CHANGE.

And if they want to be re-elected, they'll have to play the corrupt DC game of taking lobbyist money or other corruption in order to afford to run against candidates who do have corporate backing.

Replacing in bents is a sucker's game. Nothing changes.