Hollinger has our men in blue going 48-34

[badfish22]

Barea with less than 10min ( o DoJo)

What makes you think Rick will suddenly stop playing Barea and start playing rookies?

[sefant77]

What makes you think Rick will suddenly stop playing Barea and start playing rookies?

Because Carlisle spent his "I dont play rookies" card last year and failed. He cant do it again.

Mavs have a nice starting schedule. Give DoJo a good start into the season and Carlisle will hear "Didnt he learn" all day long if he bench him. I think even Cuban would start pressuring the way he is talking about the two young guys.

Ah and Roddy came from overseas with broken english. DoJo is a proven college star and "NBA ready". Thats was one reason for Cuban to buy the pick. Immediate improvement of the roster.

Carlisle on media day:

“Well, he’s a different kind of player than we have. He’s a bigger, stronger, rugged, scoring guard that is great off the dribble – he’s got a great first step. In college, he got to the free-throw line an unbelievable amount of time. So we don’t have that element. You know, Roddy (Beaubois) can get in the paint, J.J. (Barea) can get in the paint when they’re at the 2, but they don’t have the size and strength that he has.
“That along with the fact that he’s a very good defensive player and is a physical player, those things put him into a different category and open up the possibility that he could be a factor for us. Now, the reason you have training camp is to compete for positions, earn time, not earn time, whatever. But we like what we’ve seen from him, and we’ve spent a lot of time with him on his outside shot. And he’s worked very hard at it, so that’s a part of his game that’s going to keep improving.”

So if he doesnt suck ass with the playbook, rotation etc i expect him to take Bareas role pretty fast and Bareas minutes cut down to 8-10 because he can provide Bareas offense without getting toasted at defense.

[Findog]

I'm not optimistic that Barea's minutes will be cut. PER, Plus/Minus, Win Shares, none of those stats are kind to JJB. It seems obvious that last year he was asked to do more than he is capable of at the NBA level. And they didn't do anything to upgrade the PG position in the offseason (DoJo is a 2). Sometimes you have to take a player off the roster to prevent the coach from playing him too much, but Cuban and Donnie didn't do that with JJB.

[JamStone]

Jason Terry is a point guard. His minutes should be cut too, but a more sensible solution to cut JJB's minutes is to give them to Terry. Cuban and Donnie should have forced Carlisle's hand and not re-signed Barrea so that he'd have to play Terry at PG.

[DJB]

spurs are nowhere near that good

We're nowhere near getting 4 more wins than we got last season? That makes no sense what so ever.

[sefant77]

Since when is Jason freaking Terry a PG?

[JamStone]

He played quite a bit of point guard earlier in his career. He's not the best point guard, but we're talking about back-up point guard minutes anyway. He has a good handle, still has the ability to break down a defender off the dribble, and would be fine in pick-and-roll situations because of his jumper. Doesn't have the greatest vision or creativity, but he's adequate enough. Barea isn't that much better of a pure point guard.

[Giuseppe]

O & Forever!

[badfish22]

Since when is Jason freaking Terry a PG?

Since when is JJ Barea a PG?

[Findog]

Since when is Jason freaking Terry a PG?

2006, the year we went to the Finals. He's a much better option at backup PG than JJB. That's where the huge bulk of his minutes should be.

[Latarian Milton]

2006, the year we went to the Finals. He's a much better option at backup PG than JJB. That's where the huge bulk of his minutes should be.

in the current league JET is about 5 inches shorter than the average size of a SG. playing him at SG doesn't make much more sense than using JJB as Kidd's 1st backup tbh. IMHO the old turtle should stick to the PG position, especially when the Mavs have so many SG options.

[sefant77]

I prefer to throw DoJo in and let him share the minutes behind Kidd with Barea. DoJo is right now a better fit as PG than SG until he develops a consistent jumpshot.

Together with Terry on the court Terry can play his more favorite role as SG and at defense DoJo takes the SG and Terry the PG.

Kidd 30 / Barea 9 / DoJo 9
Butler/Roddy/Terry/Stevenson

Roddy defending PGs, DoJo SGs....

[badfish22]

lol at giving JJ 9 minutes

[SenorSpur]

He played quite a bit of point guard earlier in his career. He's not the best point guard, but we're talking about back-up point guard minutes anyway. He has a good handle, still has the ability to break down a defender off the dribble, and would be fine in pick-and-roll situations because of his jumper. Doesn't have the greatest vision or creativity, but he's adequate enough. Barea isn't that much better of a pure point guard.

While it's true that Turtlehead played the PG position earlier in his career, the fact is he was horrible at it. When he came over to the Mavs from the Hawks, I was quite surprised at how terrible he was playing that spot. He was clueless as to how to run the offense, didn't have the greatest handles and of course, he always looked for his shot first. Which did nothing to elevate the production of guys like Dirk, who were left standing around. Couple all that with the fact that he's a horrific defender and one could understand WHY the Mavs backup PG position suffered.

Once AJ became coach, he was smart enough (or frustrated enough) to transition him into a sixth man role. Six years later, not much has changed about Terry. He's still a volume shooter and still possesses the same flaws. He's always thought more of himself than what he really is. In actuality, he is what he's always been - a SG in a PG body. However, the big difference now is that his offensive efficiency has started to decline.

[SenorSpur]

Here is a game-by-game predictions article that says the Mavericks will win 53 games. The author thinks a full training camp will benefit Caron Butler and thinks that the Mavericks have depth, versatility, and athleticism.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ame.html?cat=9

BTW this guy predicted the Mavs would win 53 games last year too.

I would tend to agree that the Mavs have a ton of depth and versatility. Athleticism? I wouldn't go that far. However, they do have one of the more formidable frontcourts, this side of Fakerland.

If there was ever a such thing as having "too much depth", this team probably is a good example. Practically every member of the rotation has been a starter somewhere else. It will be hard for them to "check their egos at the door" and submit to a complimentary role. Having said that, one thing Mavs fans should be cautious of are potential chemistry issues. From all the early chirping I'm already hearing from Mavs players during media sessions, it may be gradually simmering, as several veterans have casually expressed a desire to know what their roles will be this coming season. They're not only concerned with who will be the starters, but they're also wondering when and how much they will be playing?

Some interesting questions for Mavs fans to ponder. How will Shawn Marion react when he learns he will have to cede his starting position to Caron Butler? Remember how he acted in Phoenix. How will "Turtlehead" Terry handle getting his minutes cut in favor of Roddy Beaubois? or rookie Dominique Jones? How much, if any, will Barea be affected by Beaubois eating into his minutes, at the backup PG spot? How much will Brendan Haywood pout, when he goes into one of his ineffective stretches and the coach turns more toward Tyson Chandler for production?

Head coach, Rick Carlisle, could be sitting on a potential powderkeg. He must determine how all these pieces fit. The problem is there are only so many minutes to go around. Dirk and Kidd are the only starters with guaranteed minutes. Carlisle has already shown that he is not going to "cow down" to player demands nor be influenced by public pressure. He more than proved that last seasons. Unlike the local pro football coach, (Uncle Wade Phillips), Carlisle will play who he chooses, when he chooses - despite what the owner thinks. His edict to ALL the players is simply - BE READY.

Just something for Mavs fans to keep in mind as the season unfolds.

[badfish22]

1. Shawn Marion got upset mostly because he was on a contract year, if Im not mistaken. He doesn't have to worry about that now.
2. Terry has never complained about minutes, but I doubt Carlisle will cut them as much as he needs to.
3. Who the cares how is affected by anything? Did you really ask that? Thats like asking how Sasha will be affected if he gets benched.
4. You have a point of the Haywood thing. He will probably .

[badfish22]

My opinion on the whole PG issue is that we should immediately give Roddy the full backup PG minutes. It may wind up being a failure and Roddy could turn out to just be a undersized SG, but we might as well try. We need to stop playing solely for the regular season and start looking at the long term. Carlisle also has to have the patience to stick with him when he struggles, and he will struggle at points. I dont have much confidence in Rick to do this though.

[Latarian Milton]

1. Shawn Marion got upset mostly because he was on a contract year, if Im not mistaken. He doesn't have to worry about that now.
2. Terry has never complained about minutes, but I doubt Carlisle will cut them as much as he needs to.
3. Who the cares how is affected by anything? Did you really ask that? Thats like asking how Sasha will be affected if he gets benched.
4. You have a point of the Haywood thing. He will probably .

the s are not nearly repellent as pickle breaths tbh.

[Latarian Milton]

I'm not optimistic that Barea's minutes will be cut. PER, Plus/Minus, Win Shares, none of those stats are kind to JJB. It seems obvious that last year he was asked to do more than he is capable of at the NBA level. And they didn't do anything to upgrade the PG position in the offseason (DoJo is a 2). Sometimes you have to take a player off the roster to prevent the coach from playing him too much, but Cuban and Donnie didn't do that with JJB.

the morons can just sell the midget for a future 2nd pick. The sexual plays him for no other reason but that he loves the midget. the doesn't only play him, he plays him a lot. JET was mavs starting PG in their zenith years and he played rather well. after getting jason kidd, however, Jet started to be used more often off the bench as a SG than the position of PG which imho should be a congenial position for him. JET is too short to be a SG in today's nba imho.

there used to be many SGs his size in the old years but in the currently league such short SGs are rare as senior virgins tbh.

[JamStone]

While it's true that Turtlehead played the PG position earlier in his career, the fact is he was horrible at it. When he came over to the Mavs from the Hawks, I was quite surprised at how terrible he was playing that spot. He was clueless as to how to run the offense, didn't have the greatest handles and of course, he always looked for his shot first. Which did nothing to elevate the production of guys like Dirk, who were left standing around. Couple all that with the fact that he's a horrific defender and one could understand WHY the Mavs backup PG position suffered.

Once AJ became coach, he was smart enough (or frustrated enough) to transition him into a sixth man role. Six years later, not much has changed about Terry. He's still a volume shooter and still possesses the same flaws. He's always thought more of himself than what he really is. In actuality, he is what he's always been - a SG in a PG body. However, the big difference now is that his offensive efficiency has started to decline.

Jason Terry isn't a great point guard but to call him a horrible point guard is pretty foolish. When given the responsibility, at worst he was adequate. And we're talking about back-up PG minutes. You'd have to assume Kidd is still going to get at least 28-30 mpg at PG. We're talking about roughly 20 minutes or less a game. Terry could easily handle that. As Fin already pointed out in this thread, Jason Terry was the starting point guard for the 2005-06 season when the Mavs made it to the Finals. On a team that has a good to very good amount of talent on the roster, you don't need Chris Paul play from the back-up PG. If the team needed Terry to be that, sure they'd be in trouble. All they need is a PG who can handle and take care of the basketball, be a threat offensively to score when teams collapse on Dirk, and not make too many dumb decisions. The last thing you could argue is a problem as Terry will sometimes take stupid shots, but if he's playing PG as opposed to playing off the ball as mainly a scorer, you'd think he'd be smarter about that. Terry became the 6th man because Avery wanted to develop Devin Harris into the PG of the longterm future for the Mavs. Truth is Terry was generally a better PG than Devin Harris.


As for the badfish comment about Roddy...

And, sure the ideal thing to happen would be for Carlisle to give all the back-up PG minutes to Beaubois. But, let's be realistic here. Carlisle simply won't do that. I was talking about a reasonable solution that Carisle would consider if Cuban and Donnie were smart enough to not re-sign JJB. Terry could spend 15-20 mpg as a back-up PG and they'd be better off than Carlisle throwing JJB out there to go humpty-dumpty all over the court.

[Giuseppe]

Jammie, gettin' his colonoscopy bag emptied on.

tee, hee.

[SenorSpur]

Jason Terry isn't a great point guard but to call him a horrible point guard is pretty foolish. When given the responsibility, at worst he was adequate. And we're talking about back-up PG minutes.

All I know is what I saw and as far as I'm concerned, substandard ball-handling, ill-advised shot selection, and poor passing doesn't make for even an adequate, part-time PG. If simply being a scoring threat was all that was needed from the position, then O.J. Mayo would be a bonafide solution at PG for the Grizzlies. They even tried it over the summer - it failed.

As Fin already pointed out in this thread, Jason Terry was the starting point guard for the 2005-06 season when the Mavs made it to the Finals. .

Sure he was the starter, but that was only because AJ felt Harris wasn't prepared to assume the role. Terry may have been a veteran, but he drove AJ about as crazy as Harris did. Just because Terry spent time at the PG position in ATL didn't make it a good idea in Dallas. The more time Terry spent at that position, the more he was exposed. The fact is they simply had no other options.

On a team that has a good to very good amount of talent on the roster, you don't need Chris Paul play from the back-up PG. If the team needed Terry to be that, sure they'd be in trouble. All they need is a PG who can handle and take care of the basketball, be a threat offensively to score when teams collapse on Dirk, and not make too many dumb decisions.

One out of three aint good. Let's not forget in addition to other flaws I mentioned, he's also a horrific defender.

The last thing you could argue is a problem as Terry will sometimes take stupid shots, but if he's playing PG as opposed to playing off the ball as mainly a scorer, you'd think he'd be smarter about that.

Whether a starter or backup, the PG HAS to be one of the smartest players on the floor - not the dumbest. Regardless of where he plays, Terry has repeatedly demonstrated that he doesn't always make the smartest on-court decisions. (i.e. questionable shot selection aside, there is the ill-timed frustration fouls, and who can forget the dreaded punch to Finley's gonads, resulting in the 1-game suspension during the 2006 WCSF series)

Terry became the 6th man because Avery wanted to develop Devin Harris into the PG of the longterm future for the Mavs. Truth is Terry was generally a better PG than Devin Harris.

During some stretches during that 2006 playoff run, I'll give you that. However, recall it was Harris, who gave the Spurs, and specifically Tony Parker, fits during that epic seven-game WCSF series. The Spurs were literally powerless to stop Harris' repeated forays to the cup. He was literally a walking "and-1". Let's not forget Harris' smothering, end-to-end pressure applied to Parker, on the defensive end. Harris also lured several Spurs players into early offensive fouls by beating them to spots and courageously taking charges. The kid was absolutely stellar in that series.

Back to Terry, my final point is I'll reiterate what I said earlier. The guy was simply miscast in the PG role. While he was forced to play the role in a pinch, he simply doesn't have the natural instincts. We'll agree to disagree.

[Cry Havoc]

Jason Terry isn't a great point guard but to call him a horrible point guard is pretty foolish.

Normally I agree with you on most points, Jam, but here I gotta say... I just don't know, dude.

Jet is a scorer, and that's about it. If he isn't hot from the field, I haven't seen him help his team much. He averaged 12/2/2 against the Spurs in the playoffs. Now, obviously some of that is coaching, but Terry is not a great passer and he doesn't have great handling abilities either.

[JamStone]

I'll just leave it us having a difference in opinion. By no means am I saying Jet is a great point guard or even well above average. Saying he's adequate isn't a stretch in my mind. Especially if you're talking about 15-20 minutes of back-up duty on a team that should have plenty of other playmakers so Jet isn't the only one making all the decisions on offense. And I'm sorry, but a team that wins 60 games and makes it all the way to the NBA Finals can't have a starting point guard who is "horrible."

And realize that I'm comparing Jet to JJ Barea and replacing Barea's minutes and giving them to Jet. I don't think Jet is any worse than Barea. Jet is actually far more miscasted at shooting guard, whether starting or coming off the bench. Jet already is a subpar defender. You force him to match-up against other 2-guards in the league and I'd be willing to bet his defense suffered far more than when he guarded primarily PGs. On offense, I already acknowledged he doesn't have the greatest vision or creativity. I don't think he's a horrible ball handler. Is he Kenny Anderson with the ball on a yo-yo? No. But he isn't Kendrick Perkins dribbling the ball either, which is how some of you are trying to describe his ball handling.

I'll take Jet over JJ Barea for 15 minutes of back-up PG duty. The added bonus to that is you decrease and hopefully limit Terry's number of minutes he plays at SG, which is as bad if not worse of a problem.

But hey if you disagree more power to you...

[EricB]

Better question is how will the Mavericks handle Tyson Chandler missing his standard 30-35 games....