I have seen plenty of people complain about the goaltending rule; mostly about whether a shot was still in the imaginary cylinder that refs are supposed to judge quickly from bad angles.
The D-League has used the FIBA rules for this in the past. It really only affected a couple of shots each game. The reaction from the crowd that doesn't know the rule is in effect is entertaining to say the least.
well saidI find it comical that the NBA addressed it's officiating problem by adding more severe consequences to complaints from it's players, which in result, attempts to lessen the negative perception of their refs..
Instead of focusing on their serious officiating problem, they try to mask it, and their focus is now going to changing goaltending rules
I don't have a problem with some not wanting to change the rule, I think it's re to bash the FIBA game because you don't agree with rules. FIBA is a totally different basketball game.
Not for much longer.
i've always argued the NBA should stick to calling the rules they already have right instead of adding more, but this IMO is a good change because it simplifies things
too long and too good and too athletic? if anything, that should mean that less shots will be on the cylinder and therefore the change would have a minimal impact. and if NBA players are so athletic and long, why not let them take advantage of that so they can rebound the ball better? how does this make the game weaker? on the contrary, it rewards strength, athleticism, timing and awareness
"Maybe the rule makes sense for unathletic euros, but the NBA is too long and too good and too athletic for that to make any sense at all."
i fail to see how this change could DESTROY the NBA
This is a different issue but a great point nevertheless. Also, of all the FIBA rules the NBA could adopt, why the was this random rule chosen? Why not take away the bull defensive 3 second rule or become more like FIBA allowing physical play?I find it comical that the NBA addressed it's officiating problem by adding more severe consequences to complaints from it's players, which in result, attempts to lessen the negative perception of their refs..
Instead of focusing on their serious officiating problem, they try to mask it, and their focus is now going to changing goaltending rules
This isn't the first random thing Stern implements this time of year that does nothing to make the NBA better. The dresscode in the 05 off season, and the re ed ball change in the 06 off season two recent examples.
Dwight Howard's about to average six blocks a game.
+1
As a shooter with pretty decent touch myself, most of the time when my shot hits the inner part of the rim, it's going down. A quick release with good touch is one of the few advantages I have over guys who are over 6'3".
This rule is just going to make the NBA less skilled, because teams will be looking for very tall guys who can swat the ball off the rim. It will give birth to a lot of Shawn Bradley-esque players.
I can see the Rockets playing a lot of 2-3 zone, and anytime a shot hits the rim and goes up, Yao bats it out or immediately grabs it. Same with Dwight Howard or LeBron James, who have the ability to get way above the rim on any high bounces.
I wish the NBA would start emphasizing skill more rather than size. They've been trending that way recently, but this is a bad idea.
It wont affect bock count because the rule is only different after the ball hits the rim for the first time.
Some people are acting as this would eliminate any basket that doesn't directly go in the net without bouncing on the rim. Defenders still have to box out the player they are defending (even more with this rule) it's not like they can go up there and swipe every ball that hits the rim.
Fiba rules and NBA rules have been becoming more similar with the recent changes. Most of them have been Fiba adapting to NBA rules so this might be some way for the NBA to show that they can adapt to the rest of the world. I agree with the ones saying that the overall impact in the game wouldn't be that big.
In fact this would make games much more tight. I've always liked this rule from FIBA. It makes u pay attention a lot more and play smarter.
This is the way I see it playing out. Early on, more players are going to try to jump earlier as the timing to rebound does change a little bit. So players will start jumping to time when the ball gets right at the rim, instead of jumping to try to get the ball if there is a rebound available. But what they'll realize is that jumping too soon will more often times than not compromise their rebounding positioning. They might jump on the wrong side of the rim and the ball bounces the other way.
The reason I don't think it affects the game as much is because I think FIBA players realize you still have to box out and you still have to get an idea where the ball will be if it does miss. You can't just randomly start jumping before the ball actually gets to the rim because you might put yourself completely out of position and end up giving an offensive player an easy putback. Players will realize that and not jump too soon. So the jumpshot that is a little shaky, hits the rim a couple times and falls through will often still end up going through the hoop. The situations where I've seen players take the ball off the rim the most is when the ball is really rolling off the rim for more than just a split second or is just sitting still on the rim for what seems like forever, or in a situation like a free throw where the offensive players don't really try to crash the offensive backboard and there are like three defensive rebounders for an uncontested rebound. Then if the ball hangs on the rim, they'll snatch quick. But a ball, especially off of long jumpers, that doesn't go in cleanly won't get batted off the rim as much as people think. Again, I think it will be a handful of times a game and be situations where the ball is really 50/50 to go in anyway.
Can we quit with the SKY IS FALLING hyperbole? At worst it will make shot blocking/rebounding more entertaining.
NBA officials usually completely blow the borderline "in the cylinder" goaltending call as is. If anything this will speed up the game by keeping the ball in play.
The rule will have no effect on shot blocking or how shot blocking may or may not be called as a goal tend.
Well thankfully if you're against it like I am, it seems like its still a few years off at the earliest since they're just testing it in the D-League now.
I don't like the FIBA goaltending rule. But I would like the NBA to adopt the physical play of FIBA (hand-checking, ect.)
Only 41 years too late, Stern...
In your example alone, I think that is pretty crappy. Tayshaun Prince has made a career out of those kinds of shots. No, it's not pretty, but it's better than the alternative It ruins footwork because bigs like Tyson Chandler will just guard the rim. What does it matter if you play defense when you get bailed out at the end of a possession?
Good when it's on your team. Sucks to see those kinds of shots fall against your team. Tayshaun sucks. If he made a career out of those kinds of shots, he should have been in the gym improving that pterodactyl jumpshot of his.
What you don't get, as others in this thread, is that not every single ing shot that doesn't go cleanly in, is going to be grabbed off the rim or batted away. Still have to box out, still have time the jump right, still have to bang with offensive rebounders, still a defensive three second rule.
It's as if some of you are thinking every single shot is going to be taken off the rim. It won't happen like that.
so does that count as a block when u hit the ball off the rim if its just moving around on the rim? fkn lame
No. A block means you touch the ball after it leaves the shooter hand and before it hits the rim or the backboard. If you get the ball on the cylinder and keep possession it will count as a rebound, if you just swipe it out of bounds it wont count as any particular stat just like an interception witch goes out of bounds.
howard would dominate with this rule. i have a comical picture in my head of howard elevating during every shot and swiping the ball away after it hits the rim.
Count Dirk against any change in goaltending rule
Eddie Sefko
There's been some interesting debate about the NBA's Development League deciding to adopt the international goaltending rule, which means players can touch the ball anytime after it hits the rim.
Donnie Nelson loves the rule. Tyson Chandler hates it.
Dirk Nowitzki came down on the side of sticking with the NBA goaltending rule after practice Thursday night.
"I don't think it could work here,'' Nowitzki said. "Guys are too athletic and too long. I think somebody could e every ball. There are so many athletes in the league.
"Plus, we want to increase scoring and make the game more fun, not take points away. In Europe, games are in the 60s. Nobody wants to see that. We want to see 110 or 120 points.''
That's from somebody who has played international basketball for most of his life.
Nowitzki added that when he plays international rules, he tries not to take advantage of the generous rule that allows players to touch the ball after it hits the rim, even if it is inside the basket cylinder.
"I don't want to get used to doing it because we can't do it in our league,'' he said.
That alone is enough reason to keep the rule the way it is.
I can see why Dirk wouldn't want this rule since he can be a lazy rebounder at times, and also being a shooter with touch could see some of his balls being knocked out of the cylinder on occasion more than others, but of all the differences between Fiba and Nba rules this is the probably the one with lesser effects on the total scoring in the game.
The games in Europe have lesser scoring because they are shorter, travelling is called differently, more physical play is allowed on defence,etc. and because the average quality of the players is inferior than the NBA. That wouldn't change with this rule.
But well that's why they are testing it. I'm sure if they find out it affects a lot of plays during the course of a game they won't implement it.
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