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You had to take a shower afterwards? What were you doing?
Watched this the other night. I had to take a shower afterwards.
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2010/siu...dge/index.html
Pretty much the impression that I got, pretty much in their own words, and without comment on the part of the CNN gal was:
"We will do anything, say anything, to "win" the ideological war, without regard to the truth, or any sense of ethics."
Win-at-any-cost, and ethics be damned is pretty much what I see from the new right. The new conservative movement has arguably become just as morally bankrupt as it accuses "lib s" of being, if not more so.
"The ends always justify the means" is pretty much an admission in my book of the moral and intellectual weakness of any cause.
Conservative hero James O'Keefe of ACORN pimp fame features rather prominently, in his bid to prank the CNN reporter in a really tasteless manner:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/29/oke...ank/index.htmlLusby, Maryland (CNN) -- A conservative activist known for making undercover videos plotted to embarrass a CNN correspondent by recording a meeting on hidden cameras aboard a floating "palace of pleasure" and making sexually suggestive comments, e-mails and a planning do ent show.
The thing is that the guy, when asked, lied through his teeth about it, until the staffer who his lack of ethics betrayed, decided she was not comfortable with the whole thing and blew the whistle.
When it became undeniable, they just quit talking.
As hard as it will be for most Fox Propaganda watchers to believe, the CNN piece went out of its way to simply give the people involved time to speak their minds, and did little to no editorializing on what was said.
That is what journalism is about, and CNN proved itself to be much better at it than anything I have seen out of Fox Propaganda.
It says a lot when even O'Keefe's main cheerleader is putting some air between him and his protege.
You had to take a shower afterwards? What were you doing?
Deliberately exposing myself to the unbridled vitriol and rather morally/intellectually repugnant pablum that passes for right wing propaganda these days.
It was quite shocking to see really how vicious it is.
Not really. It seems quite comparable to some Daily Kos pieces I've read.
Shocking? Please. As if we had no idea real politik is our political reality.....
"Daily Kos pieces I've read"
link? other than disagreeing with them, what do think was say-anything/tell-any-lie about DK?
I don't really read Daily Kos though.Not really. It seems quite comparable to some Daily Kos pieces I've read.
Shocking? Please. As if we had no idea real politik is our political reality.....
After this piece I got to wondering if the nasty stuff on the left was really as bad as what I saw here. I normally stick to fairly mainstream outlets.
Guess I should find out.
hahah....the ing Daily Kos has deleted links to "Sarah Palin is NOT the mother" when they were willfully trashing Bristol Palin's pregnancy.
Funny they should pull that down now.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...137/486/580223
Why, it's just the re ed wailings of the extremists on either side. I honestly don't peruse Fox, or Heritage, Big Government or Kos or truthout.borg or altnet. They offer very little in the way of rational discussion. , I get better info thru discourse here.
The only thing more less that the right-wingers here is the entire Dem party, but there's nothing like the systematic, non-stop, full-bore lies vomited by Fox, Repugs, VRWC, conservative stink tanks.
"I get better info thru discourse here"
thank you, I do my best.
I'm not sure I buy the suggestion that only one side of the aisle bows to political expediency, or that one side has the corner on bona fides.
While it is undeniably true that the GOP has pioneered brazenness as a political style in the 21st century, that does not make the relationship proprietary. Just saying.
Ultimately I suppose it is better to have a deeply flawed take on our own cons ution, than none at all. Which is to say, I take a very dim view of those who wish to disturb the present cons utional order, on either side of the aisle.
Eh, Daily Kos has it's good and bad points. Are there some unhinged people on there? Sure. But there are a lot of stories generated by local community members highlighting items that may not get picked up by national media otherwise.Not really. It seems quite comparable to some Daily Kos pieces I've read.
Shocking? Please. As if we had no idea real politik is our political reality.....
Or, let's not it up any worse.
Politics as entertainment holds little appeal, at least to me, but it does explain American governance circa now. Without concerns over which media outlet or personality stated what, this forum would have little traffic.
As for conservatism, there's the popular variety traded on by both major political "sides" and then there is the type alluded to by WH, which is a conservatism not concerned with the total politicization of life.
If we could take only so much for granted, failure in aught else might be tolerable.
Virtually no one is comfortable with the status quo. A majority wish to reshape the existing order to something more comfortable for them. That civil society might well be left alone, or even exist outside the touch of those who would perfect it is unfathomable to the mass.
Here's a key player in the VRWC. He already leads the Repug party, and he'll nr taking aim at cutting down compe or BBC (oh, he's a Jew, too)
As the Republican political analyst David Frum put it, “Republicans originally thought that Fox worked for us, and now we are discovering we work for Fox” — literally, in the case of all those non-Mitt-Romney presidential hopefuls. It was days later, by the way, that Mr. Frum was fired by the American Enterprise Ins ute. Conservatives criticize Fox at their peril.
"Thus in Britain, a reporter at one of Mr. Murdoch’s papers, News of the World, was caught hacking into the voice mail of prominent citizens, including members of the royal family. But Scotland Yard showed little interest in getting to the bottom of the story. Now the editor who ran the paper when the hacking was taking place is chief of communications for the Conservative government — and that government is talking about slashing the budget of the BBC, which competes with the News Corporation."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/04/op...gewanted=print
MD:
I don't see our barbarous, semi-literate yeomanry reinventing conviviality right away, but maybe it's not too much to hope that "civil society" will not be completely obliterated.
How many in this country are actually comfortable around those who disagree with them? On anything? Or who can at least respect that reasonable individuals might develop a different perspective?
Eh, the Founding Fathers weren't quite what you or I would call "civil", as fancy as their dress and words were.
Probably the same amount of dummies that there were at our founding; it's just that due to the internet, we hear more from them nowadays.
Civil society as in ordinary, day to day life, which neither major political movement is content to leave alone.
Not like this. Americans prefer the echo chamber, and the internet plays no small part in satisfying that. Not to mention that Americans increasingly choose to live in neighborhoods with like-minded people.
Eh, if any clustering is occurring, it is more due to the fact that moving is probably easier now than any other time in history, as one can use the tech available today to find a job in another state, find the best-priced movers/shippers, etc etc.
America has always had clusters of local populations that were somewhat isolated/ genous.
Of course, I'm probably younger than most, so I can only speak from my perspective. But I tend to be dubious when people posit that America today is worse in X aspect than any other previous generation.
Not really. It seems quite comparable to some Daily Kos pieces I've read.
Shocking? Please. As if we had no idea real politik is our political reality.....
Seriously, didn't the Daily Kos dude write this book?
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