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I've settled on one now.
in a row ... Soon to be
I know. His screen name on the Spurs ESPN messageboard is Shaolin_Fighter. He is an obsessed laker troll. He has the exact same thread on the spurs board on ESPN. History2b is his partner in crime. They are both obsessed with the spurs and their fans.
I've settled on one now.
Well well well, if it isn't the Preseason Warrior Ironman2886!!
Back for another preseason to talk up the Spurs eh? Then come January when the Spurs are sputtering you'll disappear? You were a ghost come playoff time.
And to think of all the things you argued with me about this time last year:
* I said Richard Jefferson was a poor role player, not fundamentally sound enough to fill a legitimate role for this Spurs team, you cried otherwise.
* I said Tony Parker was not even close to top 3 PG in the league, you despited that till you were blue in the face.
* Said the Spurs weren't contenders and that only the Lakers, Celtics, Cavs and Magic were contenders. You bemoaned this notion.
* Said Tim Duncan had declined enough to take the Spurs out of the running.
I mean really, did you get anything right?? My track record speaks for itself which is why the Spurs fan base is so easily disturbed with what I have to say; because it is all true.
This is one of the best articles I've read on the Spurs this entire summer.
1) It's realistic... you know, the opposite of homeristic. That said I'm positive that this will not be well received on Spurstalk.
If the article was written by a Spurs homer hyping up the irrelevant Spurs who in reality have zero shot at the le this year, everyone here would be lapping it up like Angelenos lap up Pink Berry.
But it was not and so it is a "terrible" article.
GUARANTEED: 9 months from now this article will be closer to what transpired in the 2010-11 season than what fans here think will happen.
if yall make it to the finals this year you will lose your center is a bust its pretty sad considering he was the new shaq the best player on your team is pau gasol kobes done with his third knee surgery and arthritic fingers on his shooting hand he hasnt had to play with arthritis for 82 games yet... doesnt look good! oh yeah and our "scrub" tiago splitter ed your most beloved odom who now just plain sucks oh and by the way good luck with your 37 yr old pg
by the way kobe seems destined with all his knee surgeries and crooked fingers to be the new tracy mcgrady this season ive been waiting along time to see this. pretty sad considering manus more healthy than kobe these days
Yet another example of a typical Spurs fan intelligence level.
If the Lakers don't make it to the Finals this year it won't be at the hands of the Spurs, guaranteed.
Every single point you attempted to make was pertinent to last season;
- Kobe had arthritis and a bum knee: evidence
- Bynum was playing on one leg: evidence
- Old man Fisher did what? This
And Tiago "Twinkie" Splitter? LMFAO!! Luis Scola exposed that fraud a couple of weeks ago. Link
Now if any other Spurs fan wants to get shredded like fresh mozzarella, please let me know.
so are you saying everything i said was false
are you saying were wrong for relying on ifs??because thats what your team is doing as well
for all you know phil jackson will croak this season, if gasol is injured your season is done and you know it so no one is a lock to go to the finals
i dont expect you to understand intelligence and reason , your citys so polluted you people cant possibly have an average iq anyway back to the argument do you see spurs fans going after the nets forum and pleading our case as to why they wont make the eCF? no you know why because were not scared of them and the only reason people do such things are out of fear! your all rimmed out get out of here and go gather information from your sheeple
Seriously...this guy is a writer?
Let's start at the top:
Note how the author(I say that loosely) doesn't list any players or reasoned logic. The article says "sport improved footing" but that's really a lie. One cannot say with any semblance of truth that Phoenix losing Stoudamire doesn't hurt them at all. Is there any uncertainty Houston with Yao coming back after taking a year off due to foot surgery. Memphis accomplished what exactly other than increase their payroll with the same players? And Dallas fan can attest, that Dallas became the 1st #2 seed ever to lose to a #7 and the Thunder...that one I agree with but maybe it's because they have former Spur Front Office Wunderkind, Sam Presti, at their controls. Other than OKC, the rest of that "improved footing" statement is utter BS.The San Antonio Spurs enter this season with a worse overall team than last year in comparison to the Western Conference improvements.
The Dallas Mavericks, the Houston Rockets, the Memphis Grizzlies, the Oklahma City Thunder, the Phoenix Suns, and the Portland Trailblazers all sport improved footing.
I'll dissect the rest of this BS "fluff" piece but c'mon for the article to end like this:
So what makes them mega-talented? Is it the same reason that Steve Blake(r) is suddenly a stand out defender now that he(like them) dons Forum Blue & Gold uniforms?And folks are sleeping on the mega-talented Lakers draftees: rookies Derrick Caracter and Devin Ebanks.
Last edited by Man In Black; 10-05-2010 at 02:51 AM.
@history2b
oh lookie what i found once again the best center of all time "bynum" the one who will be better than dwight howard is now saying he doesnt think he should play until december !!!! wow 3 months without your starter well it doesnt suprise me he hasnt been healthy a whole season since high school what a scrub it also says that kobes knee isnt feeling too good wait .... and what happend??
oh yeah thats right WALTONS injured once again bahahahaha looks like that 1st place spot doesnt look like much of a lock now does it oh nvrmnd blake and barnes will become allstars http://www.latimes.com/sports/basket...tory?track=rss
This is all you got for backup? Seriously...
Let's talk TODAY:
-Kobe http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angele...ory?id=5649550
Knee at 60%
-Bynum http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-...,1854303.story
Could be out until December
-Fisher Do I need an article for him? He's older, was never an ALL-NBA defender and you guys see Steve Blake(r) as a standout defender
If this is all you got history, well at least you're aptly named...you are good at PAST TENSE.
Today? lol the first day of the preseason?
In the process of ramping up your play to run from October to mid June, easing into things would appear to make sense. You have to understand that our players are gearing up to play deep in the playoffs not get bounced out in the 1st or 2nd round mid level teams like the Suns or the Mavs. I want the Lakers to be slow out of the gate and turn it up late in the season as usual.
And the name is history-2-b as in no past tense. Another "sharp" Spurs fan I see. I'm shocked.
Last edited by history2b; 10-05-2010 at 02:23 AM.
watch out maninblack!!...... history2b has to go look up information so he can come back and "shred us" with his intelligence. what a weak bum
@history2b it took you a good hour to write that???? please give it up your not a savant nor do your arguments make much sense!!! i hope i can stay awake to see another reply
The fact that I have to explain it to you shows how dumb you really are.Today? lol the first day of the preseason?
In the process of ramping up your play to run from October to mid June, easing into things would appear to make sense. You have to understand that our players are gearing up to play deep in the playoffs not get bounced out in the 1st or 2nd round mid level teams like the Suns or the Mavs. I want the Lakers to be slow out of the gate and turn it up late in the season as usual.
And the name is history-2-b as no past tense. Another "sharp" Spurs fan I see. I'm shocked.
You said that every point that was made was pertinent to LAST SEASON. Then you give us a ridiculous collage of vids and pics that say that the LAL was gifted yet another le by the refs. We know that... check.
But the links I posted to your points that was pertinent to LAST SEASON, show that this season, Kobe is at 60% today. Bynum himself is worried about not playing until December. Backslide all you want, but that you talked about last season, is happening RIGHT NOW.
Who cares about 2B? You've ALREADY proven that you are already idiotic and myopic and the fact that you talked about last season, means that you're talking PAST TENSE. I say, let's talk Present tense. There is no long time Spurs Core player coming off of surgery. You have 2, with a 3rd hobbled by a bad back. But whatever...don't be sad that a Kobe led team will be the 1st Phil Jackson team to not win a 3peat. I won't be.
Last edited by Man In Black; 10-05-2010 at 02:12 AM.
Talk about dumb if you think that Kobe being "60%" on October 4th, 2010, 3+ weeks before the season starts? lol.The fact that I have to explain it to you shows how dumb you really are.
You said that every point that was made was pertinent to LAST SEASON. Then you give us a ridiculous collage of vids and pics that say that the LAL was gifted yet another le by the refs. We know that... check.
But the links I posted to your points that was pertinent to LAST SEASON, show that this season, Kobe is at 60% today. Bynum himself is worried about not playing until December. Backslide all you want, but that you talked about last season, is happening RIGHT NOW.
Who cares about 2B? You've ALREADY proven that you are already idiotic and myopic and the fact that you talked about last season, means that you're talking PAST TENSE. I say, let's talk Present tense. There is no long time Spurs Core player coming off of surgery. You have 2, with a 3rd hobbled by a bad back. But whatever...don't be sad that a Kobe led team will be the 1st Phil Jackson team to not win a 3peat. I won't be.
I addressed the facts that the Lakers won the championship despite all of the things your mentally deficient friend attempted to point out as cause for concern for the back to back NBA Champions.
Are you following along?
So when we talk about the Lakers, we're always assumed it is with the long term in mind, not preseason talk.
I'm going to bookmark this little thread and come June I want you talk to me about this again, ok?
And for the name history2b, it was for clarification purposes since you clearly did not read into the name correctly.
Last season, the Spurs got swept by the Suns, the series could have gone both ways just as easily as it could have been a sweep. The Lakers would have lost to the Suns if it were not for Jason Richardson not knowing how to box out Ron Artest, same thing for the Thunder series and could have lost to the Celtics when the Celtics were up going into the 4th quarter. The lucky Los Angles Lakers and their y Laker fans were then able to celebrate the 2010 NBA championship.
While I don't buy that the Spurs are necessarily contenders, statistical measures last season have shown that they are contenders. If anyone believes that the Lakers are championship contenders, one must admit that statistically, the Spurs are also one of the best in the NBA. One must also recognize that the NBA playoffs are all about matchups and sometimes good fortune and it is no wonder the Spurs lost to the Suns because we were not fast and quick enough and the Suns were hot from 3 the entire series.
The Spurs were rated a 5.07 via the SRS, Simple Rating System, good for 4th in the NBA. The Lakers were a 4.78 via the SRS, good for 5th in the NBA. Both teams had injury concerns throughout the season, so injuries are just an excuse for the Lakers having a lower SRS than the Spurs. For a simpler translation to team records, the Lakers' 57-25 record in the 2009-2010 season would be 54-28 through the Pythagorean Wins formula. The Spurs' 50-32 record would be a 55-27 through that same formula because of point differential. Obviously, no one can argue against facts. So, lets move on.
In the West, the Spurs were also the only team to be top 10 in both offensive (higher the better) and defensive (lower the better) ratings, with 110 and 104.5 respectively for offensive and defensive ratings. The Lakers were 108.8 and 103.7 for offensive and defensive ratings. The Spurs, via this ratings which were converted through points scored per 100 possessions and points against per 100 possessions have a higher point differential in 2010 than the Los Angeles Lakers.
Although you can't argue about pace now, the Lakers are a 92.8 possessions per game team, which is 14th fastest in the league, compared to the Spurs, which were a 91.7, which is 20th in the league. Both teams have only a differential of about 1.1 possessions a game, so don't come complain about math here.
Throughout draft and free agency, both the Spurs and Lakers made key additions to their lineups. The Spurs drafted James Anderson, big 12 player of the year and signed draft pick of 2007 best big man in Europe in Tiago Splitter. The Spurs also signed free agents, Gary Neal and Bobby Simmons, both excellent shooters from beyond that 3 point line.
The Lakers have done a few things themselves too, signing Steve Blake and Matt Barnes, both good 3 point shooters themselves and drafted 2nd round picks, Devin Ebanks and Derrick Caracter.
Now, if you want to call Devin Ebanks and Derrick Caracter, both 2nd rounders, mega-talented, it would be an absolute joke. While Ebanks was touted to be a late 1st round pick, while Caracter a 2nd rounder, both do not have the accolades that James Anderson has. The average 43rd pick in the NBA would have a 60% chance of being a non-contributer to an NBA team, the pick number of Ebanks. The average 58th pick, which is Derrick Caracter's pick position, has a 0% chance of not contributing to any NBA team, so Caracter, for now, is useless to any NBA team, absolutely useless at least . To sum it up using the rating system in 82games, the average 43rd pick, has a rating of 7.8 while the average 58th pick has a rating of 1.3, which is the worst out of the whole rating system, which is based on basic stats.
Let's take a look at the average 20th pick, which has a 50% chance of contributing to the NBA and has a 10.2 rating, higher than both the 43rd and 58th pick combined. Enough said, the Spurs lone draft pick has a higher success rate than both the 43rd and 58th pick combined. Of course, you can't argue facts so kindly just get out of the Spurs forum if you can't come up with constructive criticism if you can't come up with facts to support your argument.
I disregarded the 2b part...INTENTIONALLY. Because the only history to be made is, again, a Bean led team will be the 1st PJax team to not get a 3peat. Book that!
Sugarcoat it all you want, why is it that Bean himself says it? Kobe said his knee was "extremely, extremely painful during the NBA Finals." Said he feels better, but is at about "60%" tonight."Talk about dumb if you think that Kobe being "60%" on October 4th, 2010, 3+ weeks before the season starts? lol.
That's not made up drivel, that's reality coming from Bean himself.
Whatever the case, the Spurs are built to beat the Lakers. I have no doubt about that.
im glad you took care of this ebanks caracter bull before it got out of hand i mean really? they think they found the two next best players in the nba picking that low? they talk about us being delusional, your draft facts prove how insane these fans are. screw john wall give me ebanks!! lol
Or it could just as likely go the otherway as the revived Spurs with a savy youth infusions dominate the playoffs. They are fully capable.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4...de-to-be-rough
I made a previous thread on many of the points the author presents..
Among them:
- Teams will continue to go at Tony and George
- Spurs fans will panic after another disappointing season for their beloved team.
- In the playoffs, the Spurs starters failed in a miserable manner to contain the Phoenix bench, led by 6’4” shooter and disher Goran Dragic.
- Head coach Alvin Gentry out dueled Popovich in their chess match
- Everyone will blame the Spurs demise this season on Duncan’s age, but the fact is that the Western Conference is bigger and better
- Phil Jackson would love to cause the Spurs’ to rebuild.
Will we ever address our weak points? Or will we continue to cover the holes with cheese?
The team defense was broken last season because of the lack of mobility to cut off the pick and roll. It wasn't the fault of the point guards. They led them to the bigs like they were supposed to, it just so happened the big was a step slow, or the bigs just weren't big enough.
How do you figure? The Lakers have been a terrible matchup for the Spurs. Just go look at the numbers including the playoffs.
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