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How did you come up with that percentage?
And then there's this from Henry Abbott:
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...-work-overtime
This gives me a little hope for RJ in the coming season:
I still hate his contract (we could have had a 15mil expiring trade chip at the deadline this year!), and I rate him a 27.2% chance of being the difference maker at the defensive end that we need him to be, but at least he's trying.So Jefferson chose summer school, working out for two hours at a time with the Spurs' coaches all over the country. It was all basics: pivoting with the ball, jump-stopping, drills designed to improve his efficiency of movement on the court. On the defensive end, Jefferson got reinforcements on the Spurs' defensive concepts, which go into much greater detail than simply pushing everything baseline and keeping guards from dribble penetrations in the paint. He reported to camp last week with 7 percent body fat and a cut-up physique.
"I asked him if he wanted to reach his potential, or just let the next few years slough away and just put money in the bank," Popovich said. "He said 'I want to reach my potential.' "
How did you come up with that percentage?
I am just pointing out the irony. Continue your trolling
Off the top of my head. I like to make gut reads sometimes. You'd be surprised how often I'm close.How did you come up with that percentage?
And really, all I'm saying is that he's a smidgeon less than 1-to-3 (or "3-to-1 on" as we say here) to be the wing defender we need him to be. Oh, and I threw the '7' in there because of his bodyfat percentage.
This troll is pathetic, accusing others of delusion while acting so himself, if Perkins didnt get injured in the Finals, he'd still be crying himself to sleep, lol.
In the running for Lamest Excuse by Fanboy award.
You know me, Fabulous, I'm certainly the resident Fanboy.
How is it the Spurs were able to beat the No. 2 seed before being swept, Fabulous?
Jesus. If I had a nickel...
If the Spurs weren't in a position where Tim's health and durability were in question and the team wasn't in the midst of one last-ditch effort to win one for the thumb with this group (the Big 3), I'd be much more upset about them not going the expiring route.
But think about it this way, what player(s) could be had for a $15.2M expiring that could fill a need better than RJ, or be a upgrade over him, that could adapt and help the team to win a championship in half of a season?
Again, I was against the initial trade. I've never liked the fit, as in he didn't address a need as much as he presented something different and somewhat attractive: a weapon at the 3 they hadn't had since Elliott.
I always think back to something pretty basic and brilliant that Mel_13 said a while back: the nature of an all-in bet is that you're all-in. (paraphrasing)
They're simply too far down the road at this point and at this stage of the game with this team (Big 3). Since that '09 loss to the Mavs they've made it their focus to address the talent level, corporate knowledge and address their shortcomings as best possible.
08-09 (Playoff Roster)
10-11 (So Far)
Tony Parker - Tony Parker
Tim Duncan - Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili - Manu Ginobili
Matt Bonner - Matt Bonner
George Hill - George Hill
Roger Mason - Neal
Michael Finley - Anderson
Kurt Thomas - Splitter
Ime Udoka - Simmons
Bruce Bowen - Richard Jefferson
Drew Gooden - Blair
Fabricio Oberto - McDyess
Jacque Vaughn - Temple
Malik Hairston - Gee
The talent's definitely been upgraded -- whether by addition or development -- and the team's kept last year's bulk of the roster intact, which should help to cultivate some sort of corporate knowledge.
That's 2 out of 3 ... not bad, most likely not enough.
It is what it is.
HarlemHeat called me the biggest homer on Spurstalk, so I got to be in the running.
Harlem is certainly not one to exaggerate or over-hype anything . . . He is trustworthy and loyal, not the kind of guy who would jump ship or bandwagon another team when things get rough . . .
It's funny how, as the season draws near, everyone is coming around to my way of thinking. Blackjack is right, Fabbs. Lame excuse or not, that's what happened.
The 2010-2011 San Antonio Spurs . . . It Is What It Is.
Expiring contract. Look to trade that asset in 2014 when his contract expires too so you can build around Duncan, errr Manu, errr, umm, Dejuan Blair and James Anderson, lol.
As opposed to 2011, when his contract would have expired and that vastly overpaid bargaining chip could have yielded a superstar to play with Tim and Manu in their twilight years opening up the possibility of actually returning to contender status.
If not hold your breath and hope that in 4 years when RJ is an expiring contract you too can repeat that magic that the Lakers did with Gasol.
Because the #2 seed sucked.
I'm impressed with blackjack. I feel like the emotional shock of seeing Hairston leave was clouding his thinking...but it appears that time does in fact heal all wounds. So far I can't say i've disagreed with one thing you've said in this thread concerning RJ and his contract.
You do realize he opted out of his contract, right?
I am not afraid of you and I will beat your ass for the No. 1 Fanboy award.
Nah, I just played up something I was right about but wasn't all that significant in the grand scheme of things - beat the alternative at the time.
The only thing clouded IS THIS ROOM FROM THE THC!!!
You're right to claim you have to know who is going to be available come February during the trade frenzy ahead of time before you make moves in the summer? Have you been a moron your whole life or is this idiotic stance just a position you've decided to take because you're a typical Spurs homer who will rationalize every move the Spurs make as a positive because, well, you're a Spurs homer?
Here's your quote:
"What piece or pieces would have been available to be had, and would said piece(s) make them better off on the court or financially after restructuring the contract?"
This is the unknown. Something that cannot be projected and the example I gave provided what can happen. If you think that's a poor example you're a moron. No one knew Gasol would be traded for pennies on the dollar and the Lakers capitalized. When he have a $15M expiring contract you put yourself in position to gain in this way or worst case scenario he expires and you never pay him the $30M+ you'll owe him in 12, 13, and 14. Yes, the math of saving money now is important to the short sighted homer fan boy looking out for Peter Holt's money but it still eliminates the Spurs from being a true player in these final years of Tim's career. Bad move.
You can follow the money and rationalize if you like but I'm going to put basketball first, not the money. Saving Holt money in 2011 is really not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of the Spurs. RJ would have expired and you never would have had to pay him a dime again, opting to more wisely send money to contributing players / future free agents.
A cheap alternative SF option could have been found this summer; Travis Outlaw, Anthony Morrow, Matt Barnes, etc were all bargain deals as examples. Houston gave up Trevor Ariza for garbage and Shane Battier may also be on the block next.
Logic says it doesn't have to be a direct trade with a division rival too for the simple minded and short sighted.
But you have no shot at any of this because you took yourself out of the game in order save a few bucks now and you're stuck with Richard Jefferson until 2014 even though he's already in the washed up old bum category. It's only going to get worse.
LOL! They need a solid trade to win but even so they are a contender now? Making logical sense seems to be an afterthought for you. I've met guys like you before and it's always the same story; you're fairly bright and seem to understand the game well enough but you're so bent on being a homer you don't even see how you don't make sense. You remind me of a guy on the espn board; SacRules99. Are you related?
Whoop dee doo, the Mavericks suck. You also got swept by the Suns which is much more revealing than celebrating a 1st round victory.
Yeah! Bank on everyone else to get injured in order to win. Classic logic.
Congratulations. You've done exactly that by restructuring Jefferson's contract and handicapping your roster for 4 more years. Bye bye Timmy! Don't let the door hit you on your way out!
Are the Wizards contenders because the season hasn't started or do you have a brain to decipher what cons utes a true contender?
Detachment from reality for saying that re-signing Richard Jefferson (terrible NBA player at 30) to a 4 year contract is a bad move?? Lol. Thanks delusional Spurs fan boy but I absolutely guarantee this unbelievably ignorant premise you seemingly take a lot of pride in believing right now will be exposed in due time. Each year that hideous contract gets even worse and the implications of awarding that contract cannot be understood now to begin with.
Again, as a Laker fan i'm rejoicing over this contract. It eliminated the remote possibility of the Spurs assembling a championship core around Duncan in his twilight years. I think it's hilarious too.
And fyi the "best move possible under the cir stance" would be the "perfect move" all things considered.
Good luck with Jefferson over the next 4 years!
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It's entertaining watching Lakerfan try to convince everyone that having D-League players fill the entire SF rotation is actually the smart way to go.
Actually, he and anyone who actually follows basketball knew that would happen. People who love the game first knew that.
As opposed to paying a D league caliber player $39 million over 4 years?
You guys sure are smart.
Actually, he and anyone who actually follows basketball knew that would happen. People who love the game first knew that.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2840564
Smart fans usually use facts as evidence but re ed fan boys will be re ed fan boys.
I knew you would take the bait.
It's so easy to troll a troll. Especially Laker trolls.
Notice I didn't say what he knew that everyone who follows basketball also knew. You are too eager to defend your beloved team.
lol objective.
... says the guy with 98 posts trying to devolop pre-conceived notions. Go back 100 pages and see how active this place was all year last year.
It's not my money. And getting RJ off the books didn't open money to sign free agents considering it was RJ's contract that put the Spurs over the cap.
Do your best to convince me that Alonzo Gee is better than Richard Jefferson. GO
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