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Didn't TJ have him as the third 3 in his scenario? I would have been happy to have Bogans as the third small forward in the game.
Well, that worked out pretty good . . . What a great argument. You've convinced me! Penney is our backup 3!
Didn't TJ have him as the third 3 in his scenario? I would have been happy to have Bogans as the third small forward in the game.
Actually, the Rockets played their starters for extended minutes. I haven't seen their boxscore, but I swear Aaron Brooks and Battier were out there forever. No excuses for RJ though, only to say that he looked very comfortable in the system at least. He looks like he knows where he's going and what he's doing, so hopefully he just had an off night. I doubt it, but I have to remain optimistic.
Also, there's absolutely no way that Kirk Penney can be a SF. His measurements might be greatly exaggerated as he's kind of a small guy out there. He's only a shooter, let's not make him anything more than that.
Yes. Third 3 behind a ghost.
IIRC centerpiece seemed to play better the furthur up he played in the lineup, which Pop finally figured out in the last few months of the season. Seemingly, mediocre at 2, above average when he played the 3, and very decent whenever he as asked to guard 4's.
Not saying Penney is the same player exactly (probably isn't quite as strong as centerpiece so couldn't guard 4's), but he's the same build and burly like Bogans was so its not a stretch to think he could adequately check 3's.
Penney can't guard anyone.
If you don't want to stick with the hypothetical, then you probably shouldn't reply to it. Nobody implied that he should be the backup but you.
Bonner can't either?
Bonners defense is average by NBA standards...
Its hardly a big deal anyway, I could have just switched Anderson and Penney in the hypothetical lineup. Alot of people seem to think Anderson can play the 3. There, problem solved now he can't .
And that helps your argument that Penney can "adequately check 3's" how?
I'm just pointing out the general absurdity of the whole thing. Apologies, TJ.
I am genuinely concerned about the reality of the backup 3 and I guess I'm not in the mood for hypothetical solutions.
Is it really hypothetical if he is including players who aren't on the team anymore. I think that is bordering more on fantasy.
I wonder if Tim Duncan would concur with you on that speculation. All I ever see plastered on Duncan's face after playing any kind of extended minutes with Bonner is a disgusted look.
Personally I think Bonner's defense is well below average. He's below average in man to man and almost completely insignificant as a help defender. I'm not sure what other criteria you could add, he doesn't get many steals and he tends to get whistled quite often for minimal contact.
Proof please.
Bonner is an average defender. He is a below average rebounder.
If Duncan hated Bonner as much as you say, he wouldn't be on the team.
, so you really get that when looking at TD's face, wierd....I didn't realize that any spurs player had alot of steals so therefore there are no good defenders according this logic. Wow, the whole whistles for minimal contact (
) rational is too much too handle and is sign that you know nothing of basketball my man. No need to go on with this conversation.
Realistically, I'm in agreement with you. There only seems to be one guy on the roster with the actual size to play the three and he's just not looking like he's very good. The Spurs seem to really be in love with anyone that's 6'6" or under, and the pronouncement that they're going to carry 13 guys worries me because I think it's more likely for financial reasons than to keep spots open for later additions.
Bonner's defense is far above average by NBA standards when you look, realistically, at what he is.
He's a bulky small forward who was asked to start for the majority of an NBA season at center. There aren't many guys who can do that at all. Bonner did the best he could with it. He's not a shot blocker, he's not long, he's not a great leaper, and he doesn't get respect from the refs. Despite that, he kept guys in front of him, kept a hand in their face managed not to foul out constantly and kept his cool.
If one never looks back and analyzes what the FO is doing everyone would tend towards homerism. Which seems to be what most people around here do. I'm not a FO cheerleader like you however.
Yeah, Simmons is disappointing, but I would be willing to give him a longer look because he was a legit NBA player. Not too good so far . . .
I think the Spurs are being financially cautious right now because they don't have a player worth throwing a contract at, but if the right player became available, they would spend the cash.
Last edited by ohmwrecker; 10-08-2010 at 12:07 PM.
Being a fan of a team tends towards homerism.
You never told me how Bonner's lack of defense supports your argument that Penney "can adequately check 3's."
Two words: Luis Scola
I don't think not incessantly whining about letting Hairston and Mahinmi go makes me a "FO cheerleader".
Bonner gets minutes by spreading the floor and being an offensive threat, not by shutting anyone down.
Using this logic, couldn't Penney pick up a role on the spurs doing essentially the same thing?
OB & CD - what do you guys think about Cousins?
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