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    Bas s. It's a ty, stupid law, and as usual, the "big guys" buy their way out of compliance. I will probably have to drop my employee family coverage that I now pay for because I simply won't be able to afford to comply with the new mandates.

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    These companies' cheapo insurance plans, esp MacDo, were only "better than nothing". MacDo was capped at $2000, for $1600/year premiums.

    If there were a hard-core public option, these low-end employees, and all poor people, even the unemployed, would have better coverage for less cost.

    But the for-profit health care industry will always do what's best for its profits, not for its customers' health care.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/bu...gewanted=print

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    Well, all I know is the insurance I pay 100% of for my employees, wives, and children (with a $35 doctor co-pay, drug card, etc. but a $5000 deductible on big stuff) is now not "good enough". I now have to provide a lower deductible, pay for "totally free" preventive care INCLUDING surgical procedures like colonoscopies and pay for their kids insurance till they are 26. Bull . Of course, I have a choice. I can finally say " it" and just pay for coverage for employees only.

    Obamacare...stupid,stupid,stupid,stupid,stupid.

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    Obamacare has successfully thrown the baby out with the bathwater.

    It is utter bull that the big corps and govt. plans are given a pass - undoubtedly to keep the headlines of "Thousands lose coverage BECAUSE of Obamacare!"

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    sure, it's really insurance company care since they gutted the real cost saving reform, like public option. but continue bleating and whining at Magic Negro.

    as always, you wrongies always miss your target, mostly intentionally

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    sure, it's really insurance company care since they gutted the real cost saving reform, like public option. but continue bleating and whining at Magic Negro.

    as always, you wrongies always miss your target, mostly intentionally
    Whose insurance do YOU pay for forbrains?

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    sure, it's really insurance company care since they gutted the real cost saving reform, like public option. but continue bleating and whining at Magic Negro.

    as always, you wrongies always miss your target, mostly intentionally

    There was never any proposal that would actually lower the cost of care - only manipulations of the funding of those same costs.

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    There was never any proposal that would actually lower the cost of care - only manipulations of the funding of those same costs.
    It was NEVER intended to lower the cost of health care. In fact, it was intentionally written to INCREASE the cost to the current payers of health care. The whole point was to make it so expensive and painful that single payer could be rammed through later.

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    It was NEVER intended to lower the cost of health care. In fact, it was intentionally written to INCREASE the cost to the current payers of health care. The whole point was to make it so expensive and painful that single payer could be rammed through later.


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    Well, all I know is the insurance I pay 100% of for my employees, wives, and children (with a $35 doctor co-pay, drug card, etc. but a $5000 deductible on big stuff) is now not "good enough". I now have to provide a lower deductible, pay for "totally free" preventive care INCLUDING surgical procedures like colonoscopies and pay for their kids insurance till they are 26. Bull . Of course, I have a choice. I can finally say " it" and just pay for coverage for employees only.

    Obamacare...stupid,stupid,stupid,stupid,stupid.
    They just want to make all productive citizens like you, a serf to the government. But then, I'll bet you already know that.

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    It was NEVER intended to lower the cost of health care. In fact, it was intentionally written to INCREASE the cost to the current payers of health care. The whole point was to make it so expensive and painful that single payer could be rammed through later.
    Very true. My employer sees that, and is now only hiring temporary employees where overtime isn't enough. I'll bet they keep this hiring freeze in place until they know what the future costs will be to add employees.

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    Very true. My employer sees that, and is now only hiring temporary employees where overtime isn't enough. I'll bet they keep this hiring freeze in place until they know what the future costs will be to add employees.
    Full time employees are getting rarer and rarer because of federal intrusion in employer/employee mandates. Work someone 38 hours a week and you are fine. Work em 40 and the government gets to tell you who, what, where and when.

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    Full time employees are getting rarer and rarer because of federal intrusion in employer/employee mandates. Work someone 38 hours a week and you are fine. Work em 40 and the government gets to tell you who, what, where and when.
    thats been around for 25 years.

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    thats been around for 25 years.
    Thats true, but as full time baby boomers retire more and more jobs are going to be replaced by part-timers or the jobs will be completely outsourced. You youngsters should do yourself a favor and learn Mandarin or Hindu so you can catch the next wave of the future. The same increased bandwidth that has Americans in love with facebook and youtube allows virtually every "desk job" in the country to be outsourced.

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    Thats true, but as full time baby boomers retire more and more jobs are going to be replaced by part-timers or the jobs will be completely outsourced. You youngsters should do yourself a favor and learn Mandarin or Hindu so you can catch the next wave of the future. The same increased bandwidth that has Americans in love with facebook and youtube allows virtually every "desk job" in the country to be outsourced.
    Yes, Chinese of some dialect.

    I think there is some future truth to the series Firefly.

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    "intentionally written to INCREASE the cost to the current payers of health care"

    "man up, America. Getting screwed by the for-profit health care system is a patriotic"

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    Whose insurance do YOU pay for forbrains?
    I paid for my own insurance when self-employed, with after-tax money.

    If you don't like running a company and compensating your employees with expensed health plans, then stop, forbrains.

    It ain't Magic Negro's fault that you brains are or the US health system is perversely, exorbitantly expensive.

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    Health insurance is so expensive to subsidize the greedy, predatory docs and hospitals, even abusive monopolist MS won't pay it all.

    Microsoft workers to pay part of health care in 2013

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20...=2547-1_3-0-20

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    No public option was a huge victory for the insurance companies. Well done.

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    You mean corporations don't give a about people and only worry about their profits?

    What a surprise. Greed and a harmonious civilization cannot co-exist.

    This country will go down the ter soon enough.

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    You mean corporations don't give a about people and only worry about their profits?

    What a surprise. Greed and a harmonious civilization cannot co-exist.

    This country will go down the ter soon enough.
    It's better than a public option. A public option would have been a victory for the terrorist and would have turned America communist.

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    I can certainly understand how you guys would favor a public option where the "the gubment" (better known as other producing members of society) would pay for your health care.

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    I can certainly understand how you guys would favor a public option where the "the gubment" (better known as other producing members of society) would pay for your health care.
    Oh you mean the people paying into a public option system would be paying for their own healthcare? I see, that sounds horrible. That almost sounds like an insurance company.

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    Oh you mean the people paying into a public option system would be paying for their own healthcare? I see, that sounds horrible. That almost sounds like an insurance company.


    Yeah right. The ing bum at the Valero that hits you up for change when you go in to get your 40? I'm sure he will be paying in.

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