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Exactly. Although Bogans wasnt exactly "a lock down defender" he looks like Bruce Bowen compared to anybody we have out there at that position right now...
The amount of criticism and heat Bogans got on this board last year remains ridiculous. I'm definitely glad he is gone but his defense blows anything we have on this roster out of the water... and then certain posters are sitting there complaining that we "don't have a serviceable defender"... Well he was actually more than serviceable and these posters shat all over him last season.
Exactly. Although Bogans wasnt exactly "a lock down defender" he looks like Bruce Bowen compared to anybody we have out there at that position right now...
No he doesn't. Bogans couldn't play defense. What he could do is look like Bruce Bowen if you squinted your eyes a little bit. He might have been a small step up from Finley, but Finley was horrid. There are at least five guards currently on the team that are better defenders than Bogans.
Well I was talking more about Bogans playing the 3 which he did a lot last season. He is a better defender than Simmons,Gee,RJ and any others we have playing that position. Obviously he isn't a better defender than Hill, Tony and Manu. He was here to fill the void left by Bruce just like what we are trying to do now.
Bobby Simmons = Devean George.
If Simmons plays significant minutes, Spurs' fans will hate him as much as Mavs fans hated Devean George.
Now, Spurs must carry 13 players. Gee, Gist and Cousins haven't shown they deserve more a roster spot than Simmons. Simmons isn't a worst options to fill the 13th spot than the other available ones.
The problem with signing Simmons is that they couldn't assign him to the Toros to create a roster spot if some trade would become available later on where they would need the extra spot. Something I believe they can do with Gee, Cousins and Jerrels(?).
First, Spurs will carry 13 players and still have 2 roster spot.
Second, assigning a player to Austin doesn't create a roster spot.
I understand that.
This I didn't know. Thanks.
And I agree with you that Spurs should keep an eye on waivers because someone better than Simmons could be cut at the end of the month. However, it isn't the case for the moment and Simmons isn't worst than what is available.
You think Simmons would take the vet min? I think that would give the Spurs wiggle room to buy him out and take him out of the lux tax before January if they find something before the end of the year.
Simmons has already signed a vet min non-guaranteed contract.
Speaking of waivers, I have a hunch that the Nets will cut Ross. They have quan y, if not (a alot of) quality on the wings and brought in a similar player in Graham, who's been playing ahead of Ross in the preseason. Despite having a guaranteed contract, I believe he's making the veteran's minimum, so it's not like it would cost a great deal to cut him.
Strengths: Has always been known as an above average defender.
Weaknesses: Has the body of a two, but the game of a three. He's slender (193) and would more than likely be overpowered by big, powerful wings. Has improved as his career has gone on, but is still a sub-par three-point shooter.
I would not be shocked if the Spurs picked him up, should he get cut. If it's strictly defense they're looking for, he'd probably instantly be the best on-ball defender on the team.
I see. thanks.
I sort of see what you're saying, but you overstated it a bit; Bogans doesn't look like Bruce Bowen compared to any of them.
Another waivers option could be Green. Apparently Harris has outplayed him significantly, Green is non-guaranteed and there's more than likely only going to be one spot available for these two.
Green had a reputation as a solid defender when he was drafted in '09, but if he can't make the Cavs roster, a team without a starting caliber SF, then that's not a good sign. If he is in fact cut, he should still merit consideration, though.
watching the Celtics-Knicks game right now and Lasme isn't playing half bad as a defender/hustler. Can't shoot 3s, but has good size and decent athleticism and is moving much, much better than Simmons. He'll be cut because the Celtics already have their 15.
Admittedly haven't watched any preseason ball, but this has always been Bobby's calling card. Smart defender on the wing.
You may get your wish:
http://news-herald.com/articles/2010.../nh3160372.txt
The writing could be on the wall for Danny Green.
Green, the Cavaliers' second-round pick in 2009, has struggled mightily in the preseason.
Rookie guard Manny Harris might have moved past him on the depth chart after back-to-back 14-point performances in the last two games.
"He did a heck of a job (against the Dallas Mavericks on Monday)," Cavs coach Byron Scott said. "(He) made some plays for us down the stretch and did a really good job defensively, getting some big-time steals, and just very active and aggressive on that end of the court which I think is the thing that is really helping."
Another reason why Green could be in a precarious position, his $762,195 contract is not guaranteed. If he's on the opening-day roster, only $125,000 is guaranteed.
Harris' playing time — and possible roster spot — might come at the expense of Green. In Scott's Princeton offense, both guards have to handle the ball and bring it up the court.
Green has turned the ball over repeatedly in the preseason. He has five turnovers in 41 minutes played. Scott might have been tired of watching Green's miscues and benched him in both weekend games.
The North Carolina product might be fighting for his NBA existence in the next few games, starting with Thursday's contest at the Petersen Events Center in Pittsburgh against the San Antonio Spurs.
Green is averaging 2.5 points and is shooting 20 percent from the field in three preseason games.
Eh, some people just don't like Simmons because everyone always have their rotations and lineups set up during the Off-Season, so when a guy like Simmons is brought in, they don't like it. People are scared of change.
Anderson is too small to play the 3. At least on a consistent basic. Plus hes just a Rookie. I don't mind Simmons because having just one SF on the team would not be good. Can't be running 3-Guard "Nobody over 6'6" lineups all Season. Especially since it looks like Blair might be starting, so we are already undersized on that aspect.
People complain about size, so we finally bring in a guy who has a little size, and people still complain. A veteran here or there is good, especially when you bring in a lot of young talent in the Off-Season like Splitter, Anderson and Neal and still have young inexperienced guys like Hill, Blair, Temple and Jerrells.
The problem with Simmons is that he's extremely slow and unathletic, joining a team that already has severe problems with speed and athleticism..yes, his size is nice, but it won't mean anything when he can't keep up with any wing players..how is he going to use his size when he's always getting beat?..
Also, the Spurs are aiming for the Lakers..you absolutely can't beat the Lakers when you have slow players on the wing, it fits into their strategy..the Lakers are weak against athleticism and speed, they are not a noticeably athletic team..Kobe has also shown struggles against athletic/quick defenders, but he still eats up slow defenders..
The Spurs still desperately need some athleticism/speed on the wing..the counter-argument will be that there isn't anybody on the roster that can fit that role better than Simmons..I'll disregard Gee, and I'll say that I agree, Simmons will get a spot on the roster out of need, due to his shooting and size..
However, the Spurs are not winning a championship with their current lack of athleticism and speed on the perimeter..the only way they will improve that is with a trade..will it happen? too difficult to tell, and there probably won't be too many opportunities for the Spurs to address this, especially considering the current financial situation..I doubt we'll see a trade, this team will probably have to work with what it has, and rely on Jefferson to fill this role..
That's the primary reason I don't believe this team will make the Finals, even more of a concern than injuries..
I hope that Simmons gets the last spot. He's no Bruce Bowen but he's an upgrade over Udoka and Bogans. He also has something to prove which any coach can utilize when things get "rough and chipy" if you know what I mean.
What's all the fuzz, geez..were talking about the 13th man. It's not like he will get any PT. When was the last time our 13th man avg at least 4 min a game. BTW guys like Bogans, Udoka were not 13 men.
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