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Could you change your nickname to the Excuses Express?
Just like RJ, I believe Matt tries. That's not really the problem.
They're just not very good for what this team needs at this point in time from their positions.
Could you change your nickname to the Excuses Express?
This is a false proposition.
Bonner is a shooting specialist. If he 'has not played very well in the playoffs' then he *IS* a bad shooter (at least in the playoffs).
Any NBA player who has a career as long as Bonners and has shot as many 3 pt shots at a 40% clip is a good shooter. So for example, according to your logic players like mike miller, michael redd, and Kapono are bad shooters cause they have limited games played or simply not played in the playoffs? I have never said Bonner has played well in the playoffs, but that has no bearing on his status as an above average 3pt shooting NBA player.
Perhaps he isn't a bad shooter, but facts are facts and Bonner is useless come play-off time. Isn't that the production that what matters most? Well if your goal is not to be a career lottery type team that is.
Except that he doesn't shot at 40% when it matters. He shoots at 31%.
If you want to lay the claim that Matt Bonner is a good regular season shooting specialist, then I will agree with you. Unfortunately he's on a team with championship aspirations, who require their specialists to also play the playoffs.
Strawman and bad examples to boot.
Mike Miller is the only example remotely similar (when it comes to percentages), and it's not even that close. His playoff resume only include stints with teams like ORL and MEM at times where neither team had any championship aspirations. This would be his first season where he's in a position where he actually would be contributing to a team seeking a le.
Michael Redd averages 38% from 3, he's far from being a one dimensional role player who can't even create his own shot, and the decline between regular season 3 point shooting and playoff shooting is half of that of Matt (he averages 34% from downtown in the playoffs).
And to top it all off, Jason Kapono is the exact opposite of Bonner. In his limited playoff experience, Kapono averages 54% shooting in the playoffs vs 44% in the regular season.
Ultimately, the fact that you have a larger sample size of subpar shooting for Matt that you do for any of these guys, it's actually more concrete evidence of Matt suckitude in playoff performance, not less.
If his role would be limited to the regular season, I wouldn't have a problem. But it's not, and in order to get to the LOB you need to go through the playoffs. Such a sink in performance for a guy that's actually a specialist on that area is undeniably detrimental to a team with championship aspirations.
And this is only covering his shooting. When you weigh in that his defense is average at very best, there's very little reason to have the guy out there when he's stinking up the joint.
Last edited by ElNono; 10-13-2010 at 02:51 PM.
I have no problem if Bonner gets about 10 minutes a game, providing that he is hitting his 3's. With the continued development of Blair and the arrival of Splitter, Bonnner's mintues should go down. As most of us know, Bonner's lack of defensive prowess gets exposed if he logs too many minutes. But IMO, Bonner can be useful as a scoring option, coming in as a 4th big off the bench.
Bonner is . Nothing else to say.
Bonner + RJ = Spurs failure
Ok, if you guys want to blame Bonner for all the playoff losses fine. But could you please post the overall team shooting percentages for the spurs during those losses (cause I gurantee he was not alone in having a bad performance during these games). Some of you guys act like the offense goes through bonner..I agree that his playing time should be limited to 10-15 minutes, but all this that he caused the spurs to lose in the playoffs is crap..Guy is strictly a role player that majority of the time he does very well.
Also, if you dont want to see bonner play then Blair better stay out of foul trouble (which he always seems to be in), Duncan better play more (which he wont), and Tiago better not keep getting injured (?)..Sometimes pop has no choice to play bonner like it or not
I wish you would stop posting the same stuff over and over. Looks like everyone on ST struck a nerve with you.
Exactly. Bonner haters rag on him because of liabilities on defense. But because of the lack of depth at the 4 and 5 spots the past couple of seasons, Bonner has logged more minutes than he should. Which, of course, is not Bonner's fault. Like I mentioned in my previous post in this thread, Bonner can be productive coming off the bench to provide a scoring spark in a 10 to 15 minute a game role.
Last season we had Blair sitting in the bench watching Matt drop bricks. Depth wasn't necessarily the issue.
I agree with you that 'playing the 5th big role' wouldn't be THAT much of a problem (and really, before the Excuse Express showed up, that's what this thread was about), but unfortunately I've see no evidence whatsoever that give me the confidence he will be the 5th big in this team. And ultimately, as a fan of the team, I don't care if it's Matt's fault or whoever else. It hurts to team to overplay him on any other capacity.
But Yazo is right. It is not Bonner's fault the Spur keeping giving him money and putting him in positions to fail.
But that does not mean that fans won't get pissed when he is on the floor. Bottom line is regardless of who is at fault, most believe that Bonner's negatives outweigh his positives.
Correct. Blair was the one who was stunning in the regular season and came up big when needed. Blair was the one with the 20+/20+ night when Duncan was down. Blair was the one who had an incredible 1st half at Sacramento to pull the team up. Blair was the one who almost single-handedly kept the Spurs in a game with the Celtics. And so many other games where Blair stepped up.
Blair's reward was watching Bonner do his Bonner routine and now Channing Frye is a rich man thanks to how good he looked compared to Bonner.
The Bonner Brigade doesn't care about what actually happened on the court or impartial evidence. They only care about making excuses, talking up what a great regular season % shooter he is, mistaking activity for achievement, proclaiming how awesome he would be in 15 minute bunches, and getting the vapors when anyone points out his shortcomings.
Blair needs more time than Bonner, for many reasons, his growth into a team and league staple not the least of them. I think we can all agree there.
However, it's sheer tomfoolery asserting Bonner isn't a fine bench player in 15-18 mins a night, or an above average shooter.
Another objective classic.
lots of good takes here...hmmm...maybe spurstalk is starting to come around...
Much agreed with this take and I believe he will...Only way I do not see this happening is if Blairs defense does not get better or he simply gets into foul trouble.
That's it? That's all you got?
Sequ gets too many posts for SpursTalk to be successful.
Bonner is very bad, only good for 15 min a game, at best.
Were you too busy laughing to finish reading my post? When I said he fake-hustles, I meant on the boards, when I said he throws up bricks, I meant when it matters,(and clarified it for you) like in the playoffs. If you still can't understand then I'm sorry....Can you not even remember your original post only minutes prior..
I get the point you do not like bonner, just say that then, its ok cause many others feel the sameway about Bonner. I agree that Bonner has not played very well in the playoffs, but that in no way makes him a bad shooter.
Last edited by TimDunkem; 10-13-2010 at 10:41 PM.
I wouldn't mind if Bonner fell down a mineshaft.
I would mind if someone bothered to rescue him.
There are still a couple Bonner defenders out there?
Agree.
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