Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Paul wouldnt have survived in the 80's or 90's

[lefty]

Man, they really let them play back then !!!


Look at Brid's foul on King at 2:13

No flagrant was called, and King didn't whine like Kobette

[Cry Havoc]

Man, they really let them play back then !!!


Look at Brid's foul on King at 2:13

No flagrant was called, and King didn't whine like Kobette

You don't think that should be a flagrant? Those kind of fouls can cause injuries, concussions, etc. And you're going to love it as a fan until someone puts Tony Parker or Tim Duncan into the second row and they are out a week near the playoffs because the refs "let them play". Basketball is a game of skill and finesse, not blindsiding someone like a linebacker. Go watch the NFL if you want that. What kind of skill as a basketball player does it take to lay out an unaware opponent?

Btw, thanks for posting this video. It really illustrates the point I've been making: 80s defenses sucked. Who the gives Larry Bird an open 12 foot jump shot? 80s era defenses, that's who. They allowed hand-checking because no one bothered to play consistent lock down physical defense.

[LkrFan]

Man, they really let them play back then !!!


Look at Brid's foul on King at 2:13

No flagrant was called, and King didn't whine like Kobette

You are one really dumb if you don't think Kobe couldn't play in the 1980's. This MFer played with sprained ankles, broken fingers on his shooting hand, on knees so swollen that they needed draining during the playoffs, etc., all in an effort to not miss any playing time. We saw it against Reggie Miller's Pacers in the Finals during his first 3-peat (yeah I said first) and we saw him play one a knee that was less than 100% in last year's Finals as they beat wheelchair boy Paulina Pierce. He's played with a host of other nagging injuries that most players would have taken off weeks at a time to rehab (don't even get me started with Tickle Me Elbow). Kobe's finger was so busted and arthritic that he had to reinvent his shooting stroke (with the help of Chuck Person) en route to his 2nd consecutive Finals MVP trophy. I laugh at dumbasses that bring up 6-24. He did it with 2 broken fingers on his shooting hand - that would affect anyone's shot. That shooting % didn't deter him because he still went out and snagged 15 rebounds with 8 good fingers and a bum knee along with stellar defense.

In short, Kobe is one tough SOB. Anybody in the league would tell you no different. Of course this is not a Laker board so I expect nothing less from you hating s. Carry on head.

[midnightpulp]

You are one really dumb if you don't think Kobe couldn't play in the 1980's. This MFer played with sprained ankles, broken fingers on his shooting hand, on knees so swollen that they needed draining during the playoffs, etc., all in an effort to not miss any playing time. We saw it against Reggie Miller's Pacers in the Finals during his first 3-peat (yeah I said first) and we saw him play one a knee that was less than 100% in last year's Finals as they beat wheelchair boy Paulina Pierce. He's played with a host of other nagging injuries that most players would have taken off weeks at a time to rehab (don't even get me started with Tickle Me Elbow). Kobe's finger was so busted and arthritic that he had to reinvent his shooting stroke (with the help of Chuck Person) en route to his 2nd consecutive Finals MVP trophy. I laugh at dumbasses that bring up 6-24. He did it with 2 broken fingers on his shooting hand - that would affect anyone's shot. That shooting % didn't deter him because he still went out and snagged 15 rebounds with 8 good fingers and a bum knee along with stellar defense.

In short, Kobe is one tough SOB. Anybody in the league would tell you no different. Of course this is not a Laker board so I expect nothing less from you hating s. Carry on head.

If given the opportunity, I bet you'd bathe in Kobe's semen.

Do you sometimes throw lotion (or a similar substance) on your face and pretend you took a -shot from Kobe?

From the police report, we know ming on a girl's face is Kobe's thing, so I'm sure you got very excited when you found out Kobe's fetish is compatible with your fantasy.

[lefty]

Btw, thanks for posting this video. It really illustrates the point I've been making: 80s defenses sucked. Who the gives Larry Bird an open 12 foot jump shot? 80s era defenses, that's who. They allowed hand-checking because no one bothered to play consistent lock down physical defense.

So this one video confirms your point

It's the GS Warriors; they have never been a defensive powerhouse

[Giuseppe]

If given the opportunity, I bet you'd bathe in Kobe's semen.

Do you sometimes throw lotion (or a similar substance) on your face and pretend you took a -shot from Kobe?

Mid, gettin' his fantasy on.

[lefty]

You are one really dumb if you don't think Kobe couldn't play in the 1980's. This MFer played with sprained ankles, broken fingers on his shooting hand, on knees so swollen that they needed draining during the playoffs, etc., all in an effort to not miss any playing time. We saw it against Reggie Miller's Pacers in the Finals during his first 3-peat (yeah I said first) and we saw him play one a knee that was less than 100% in last year's Finals as they beat wheelchair boy Paulina Pierce. He's played with a host of other nagging injuries that most players would have taken off weeks at a time to rehab (don't even get me started with Tickle Me Elbow). Kobe's finger was so busted and arthritic that he had to reinvent his shooting stroke (with the help of Chuck Person) en route to his 2nd consecutive Finals MVP trophy. I laugh at dumbasses that bring up 6-24. He did it with 2 broken fingers on his shooting hand - that would affect anyone's shot. That shooting % didn't deter him because he still went out and snagged 15 rebounds with 8 good fingers and a bum knee along with stellar defense.

In short, Kobe is one tough SOB. Anybody in the league would tell you no different. Of course this is not a Laker board so I expect nothing less from you hating s. Carry on head.

Look homer


In today's watered down, softened up NBA, Kobe vocally flops, even when nobody touches him

In the 80s and 90's, the game was more physical, the rules were different, the refs called less fouls


So, based on all that, do you really think that Kobe would have survived?

Take your P&G glasses off, for one second

It's possible

Do it



Do it

[Cry Havoc]

So this one video confirms your point

It's the GS Warriors; they have never been a defensive powerhouse

Find me a video of a non-NBA Finals game from the 80s where teams played hard defense throughout the game.

[TheMACHINE]

Lefty, Kobe welcomes physical basketball. Yes, he verbally flops, cuz he knows he can get the call. That doesnt change the fact that he is tough, mentally and physically.

All you have on Kobe is that he verbally flops..thats all you've been saying. You have nothing on him as a physical or mental player to justify your point that he cant survive in the 80's.

[Ashy Larry]

I think it would really depend on the era. If you took it back to the 70s, we see what fighting did to the NBA in that decade. Low attendance and great fights on the floor. The guys in the 80s and 90s were pussies compare to the 70s era and Mo Lucas was the guy you really didn't wanna with. He was like the Stu Grimson of basketball. We saw the damage Kermit Washington can do. Ask Rudy T.

Robert Parish did drop a couple of hammers on Bill Laimbeer.

[Giuseppe]

Mo Lucas was the guy you really didn't wanna with.

A course 'till we got him, and then he decides to civilize himself

[#2!]

Chris Paul would be fine in the 90s, people are mistaking his complaining to get calls as weakness when they're really just gamesmanship. Chris Paul is a tough, high IQ player, and he just happens to be smart enough to know that moaning like a gets a guy more in today's game than just walking a hard foul off.

Kobe would be fine, maybe not a 5 time champ if he had to go head to head with Michael, but still an extremely good player.

To the guy that said Tim Duncan would have been no more than Kevin Mchale in the 80s, you're a moron. They have post moves in common, but Tim is clearly better no matter what year it is. I thought people had just accepted that fact by now, but I'll post this so all the young fans of other teams can know that TD's offensive game wasn't always just bankers and single dribble layups. (the early years can be sorted out by noting the pastel colors in the arena)

[TheMACHINE]

TBH, i think everyone in the le would have survived accept Wade.

[The Franchise]

Lefty, Kobe welcomes physical basketball. Yes, he verbally flops, cuz he knows he can get the call. That doesnt change the fact that he is tough, mentally and physically.

All you have on Kobe is that he verbally flops..thats all you've been saying. You have nothing on him as a physical or mental player to justify your point that he cant survive in the 80's.

I think Kobe would be a good player, but he definitely wouldn't be nearly as effective as he is now. Go back and watch the handchecking video in this thread and listen to the list of things (besides handchecking) that they've changed to make the game easier for perimeter players. Were the 90's rules suddenly put into the game today, a lot of these superstars would take a huge hit to their numbers. Can you imagine how many 20 ppg scores would now be averaging 10 instead?

[TheMACHINE]

I think Kobe would be a good player, but he definitely wouldn't be nearly as effective as he is now. Go back and watch the handchecking video in this thread and listen to the list of things (besides handchecking) that they've changed to make the game easier for perimeter players. Were the 90's rules suddenly put into the game today, a lot of these superstars would take a huge hit to their numbers. Can you imagine how many 20 ppg scores would now be averaging 10 instead?

we'll never know...who knows..maybe Kobe would be just as effective. His basketball IQ is pretty high and he obviously copied MJ's style. It may be true to other players but if it will effect Kobe, it would probably be minimal imo.

[Giuseppe]

Those 3 jail break rammers to the rim 4th quarter/Game 7 by Bryant were vicious.

- "Go for it, Rock!"

[namlook]

You don't think that should be a flagrant? Those kind of fouls can cause injuries, concussions, etc. And you're going to love it as a fan until someone puts Tony Parker or Tim Duncan into the second row and they are out a week near the playoffs because the refs "let them play". Basketball is a game of skill and finesse, not blindsiding someone like a linebacker. Go watch the NFL if you want that. What kind of skill as a basketball player does it take to lay out an unaware opponent?

Btw, thanks for posting this video. It really illustrates the point I've been making: 80s defenses sucked. Who the gives Larry Bird an open 12 foot jump shot? 80s era defenses, that's who. They allowed hand-checking because no one bothered to play consistent lock down physical defense.

[The Franchise]

we'll never know...who knows..maybe Kobe would be just as effective. His basketball IQ is pretty high and he obviously copied MJ's style. It may be true to other players but if it will effect Kobe, it would probably be minimal imo.

It would effect Kobe as well. Do you think his numbers and percentages would be higher or lower under the old rules? His shooting percentages are lower than the stars of the 80's and 90's (not just Jordan, but all the stars) in an era when the rules are set up for guards to succeed. I can only imagine how much worse they would look if players were actually allowed to properly guard him on the perimeter. Had his career been played under those rules there is one thing of which I am certain. There definitely wouldn't be any more comparisons to Jordan being thrown out anymore.

[namlook]

It would effect Kobe as well. Do you think his numbers and percentages would be higher or lower under the old rules? His shooting percentages are lower than the stars of the 80's and 90's (not just Jordan, but all the stars) in an era when the rules are set up for guards to succeed. I can only imagine how much worse they would look if players were actually allowed to properly guard him on the perimeter. Had his career been played under those rules there is one thing of which I am certain. There definitely wouldn't be any more comparisons to Jordan being thrown out anymore.

People can say what the want about the rules but team defenses are definitely better now compared to the 80's and 90s. The zone was also illegal then and it was a one on one league in the 80s and 90s. Do you know how much easier it is for a superstar with great offensive skills to score when he is isolated one one one vs a defender? You just don't see isolation plays anymore with superstars because today's defenses won't allow it.

[TheMACHINE]

It would effect Kobe as well. Do you think his numbers and percentages would be higher or lower under the old rules? His shooting percentages are lower than the stars of the 80's and 90's (not just Jordan, but all the stars) in an era when the rules are set up for guards to succeed. I can only imagine how much worse they would look if players were actually allowed to properly guard him on the perimeter. Had his career been played under those rules there is one thing of which I am certain. There definitely wouldn't be any more comparisons to Jordan being thrown out anymore.

you also have to keep in mind in which teams played in the 90's. Not so good imo.

[lefty]

Find me a video of a non-NBA Finals game from the 80s where teams played hard defense throughout the game.

Even today there are not a lot of good defensive teams

[The Franchise]

you also have to keep in mind in which teams played in the 90's. Not so good imo.

I was a grown man in the 90's and clearly remember the level of play, and I actually prefer that brand of ball (just my opinion). It was a much slower pace because of the defense they were allowed to play, but I actually prefer the grind it out defensive contests, instead of calling fouls for breathing on players. I know it doesn't sell tickets, but seeing a player really earn it was much more enjoyable in my eyes. Someone made a point that Jordan recieved a lot of calls from the refs which is true, but they failed to mention the punishment he took to get them.

I've witness Jordan (who I have always hated by the way) get murdered going to the rim, and the opposing player get called for a foul. Not a flagrant, but a regular foul. That is the big difference between the physicality now compared to then. You had to be a real man to enter the paint knowing what was coming then. Now if you give the same hard foul, you're looking at a 25,000 dollar fine and a two game suspension. Players today get rewarded by the rules just for playing in this era.

[namlook]

I've witness Jordan (who I have always hated by the way) get murdered going to the rim, and the opposing player get called for a foul. Not a flagrant, but a regular foul. That is the big difference between the physicality now compared to then.

Yes there was a difference in physicality then vs now. The game was more physical. But a more physical game doesn't mean defenses were better. Team defenses in today's game are definitely better than in the 80s and 90s.

[Baseline]

Kobe Bryant = World B. Free.

If Bryant didn't swindle his way to LA in the first place, nobody would give a rat's ass about him. If he had stayed in Charlotte, or played in Utah or Milwaukee or Atlanta, he'd be just another gunner.

[z0sa]

you been playing too much 2k11, lefty