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(pretty sure that bit's been done before)
(pretty sure that bit's been done before)
Whoopi and Behar have a hissy fit and walk off. Butthurt crybabies.
O'Reilly to Behar at 1:40: Look, let me break this to you, 70 percent of Americans don't want that mosque down there.
(crowd cheers)
Crowd also cheers when Whoopi and Behar walk off.
Cancel this show now...Stupidest exchange from Bill from Whoopi from the audience I have seen in a long time.
They also visited strip clubs....therefore, men who visit strip clubs are terrorists!
They should have just sat there and hashed it out. Hasselbeck was showing some nice leg.
A white person blew up the OKC building, he was a christian too.
White people and Christians are terrorist and "killed us".
( in sucks 'cause I am white and was raised a christian).
That being said, I believe that O'Reilly is the most liberal leaning talking head on his network.
O'Reilly
"You're the thinnest kid at fat camp!!!"
Terrorists blew up the Twin Towers....That statement is TRUE
Men blew up the Twin Towers...That statement is TRUE.
Muslims blew up the Twin Towers...That statement is also TRUE. Intentionally provocative, but true.
I'll give Billo props for admitting the reason for opposing the mosque is Islamophobia. It was stupid for the hosts to just leave and not simply work that angle.
and Jews killed Jesus, and Christians caused the holocaust, etc, etc, etc
I hate Bill but he owned them biznitches right ther
Germans are responsible for the Holocaust... TRUE.
Men killed other men, women, and children, in cold blood... TRUE.
I'm a German. Am I responsible for the actions of my ancestors, Cosmic? Am I allowed to have Jewish friends?
Whats your ing problem? I made no judgments, just stated facts. I don't give a WHAT you do.
Terrorists blew up the Twin Towers....That statement is TRUE
Men blew up the Twin Towers...That statement is TRUE.
Religious people blew up the Twin Towers...That statement is also TRUE. Intentionally provocative, but true.
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As long as we are generalizing.
Personally I think many evangelical Christians are not that far removed from the nutbags with the box cutters.
I have no doubt that if the situations/religions were reversed, that fundamentalist nutbag Christians from the Middle East would do the exact thing to a Muslim USA.
naaa...the suicide part just doesn't mesh with the religious culture. They would probably do it in a heartbeat if they thought they could parachute out at the last second.
Why couldn't the studio have imploded during this interview?
I was pissed off last night, so I figured I'd add a little more this afternoon to explain why. O'Reilly doesn't realize how insulting it is for him to take on the voice of the average American. He is speaking only for people who agree with him and he's not an average American. He's not a populist. He's an elite media member. I am tired of Fox News and its brand claiming they speak for me, my neighbors, and are somehow above things like ratings and making money. They are perhaps the most egregious of the cable news stations in framing a story to look like it belongs in an action thriller. They use fear and nationalist images to get their point across and they prove that if opinion is repeated enough, it will become truth. It's manipulation in a time where we need to make hard choices and I cannot stress enough how damaged we are by this "news" source. Americans, in fact all people, get their information from media sources. We cannot make informed decisions when the news is cherry-picked and we are led to the opinion of the network. Minority voices are protected in this society and it helps public policy and debate to listen to a nuanced argument from all sides. This makes my blood boil.
Walking off the show felt like a stunt when I saw it, a stunt for ratings and gossip. It was people using their platform to sell the show and it felt contrived. It caused the audience to cheer and it made me watch the View to find out what the problem was.
While I agree with Behar and Goldberg, the example of Timothy McVeigh is specious. These were not Muslims--they had a specific belief system that led to a terrorist attack and it was a bas ized form of religion. Timothy McVeigh was not making the argument that we weren't Christian enough. His problem was he felt the United States government was becoming corrupt and therefore we had to take military action to avoid living in a police state. It was a bas ized form of the military. Those are the motivations behind the terrorist attack.
To accept that people of the muslim faith attacked us is to include Al Qaeda in the religion. While they may use Allah's name, it is not Islam anymore than the KKK is Christianity and American Pride. That is the argument that should be made.
And to suggest that a phrase used by the President of the United States, one to be more specific to the problem we face since there is more than one terrorist group facing the United States, is responsible for anti-Islamic sentiment is to ignore the 300 years of history on this continent with regards to war, politics, and immigrants. A seed has to be planted before the flower can blossom. Obama's words don't carry that much weight.
#1 case of suicides in the US is white protestant males.
Just sayin'.
Are you thinking about hurting yourself or something?
What is the one common denominator in the following besides the fact that they are all suicide bombers?
Al Quaeda suicide bombers.
Lebanese suicide bombers.
West bank suicide bombers.
Hezbollah suicide bombers.
Madrid train suicide bombers.
Isreal suicide bombers.
Sudanese suicide bombers.
Iraqi suicide bombers.
Afghanistan suicide bombers.
London 7/7 suicide bombers.
Tajikistan suicide bombers.
Saudi Arabia suicide bombers.
Tunisia suicide bombers.
Indonesian suicide bombers.
Kenya suicide bombers.
Morocco suicide bombers.
Turkey suicide bombers.
Pakistani suicide bombers.
Yemen suicide bombers.
Algerian suicide bombers.
Nigerian suicide bombers.
etc.
So it would be more acceptable if they just killed people without killing themselves?
Also are suicide bombers building the mosque in Manhattan? I figure most of them would be, you know, dead.
If you subjected christian nutters to the kinds of oppression and conspiracy theory that the nutters in al Qaeda generally ascribe to, they would just as readily give their lives to defend their religion.
Remember, suicide bombers don't view their deaths as suicide, you and I do.
They view it as martyrdom in defense of their religion. A perfectly valid form of military exercise.
How many Evangelicals would be just as ready to die in defense of their faith, if they felt it under seige?
I remember very distinctly the Tea Party rally that talked all about how the big bad Liberals were going to take God away. It was not a polite rant against godless evil atheists and so forth.
If atheists and big bad liberals really moved to the zenith of power and started actually opressing Christians and Evangelicals, do you think they would hesitate to take arms?
In their minds they were not committing suicide.
Islams prohibitions against suicide are just as strong as Judaism and Christianity.
It is subverting religion and warping it to twisted ends that rationalizes the evil they do.
I think a lot of Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals subvert their own religion to rationalize evil.
The two are fully equivalent in my mind. Its just that evangelicals here have some engagement with the political process. Again, I have no doubt that if they felt they didn't, they would not hesitate to commit acts of violence. That is precisely why abortion doctors wear body armor.
I would also point out that Al Qaeda views secular, non-religious governments with as much alarm as those in the US who advocate prayer in schools, ten commandments in courthouses, and creationism in science classes.
The very thing that has made the West ascendant in economic terms, i.e. liberal secular democracy is as much despised by those who would chop my head off without hesitation in the name of Allah, as those who rail against sexuals and think that hurricaines are Gods judgement for sins.
The best line was O’Reilly to Joy Behar…Hold it, listen to me because you will learn….
Thats what ticked her off the most...
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