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DarkReign gets it
I lower myself to george's level when I respond to his posts.. don't compare me to that dumbass..
DarkReign gets it
Waaaaa?He has been the biggest political disappointment in my lifetime mainly because he raised expectations to an unattainable level with rhetoric and, well, out-n-out lies. He was the world's slickest salesmen who has been exposed for the fraudulent partisan rookie he actually is. He cant control his own party, much less bargain with the Repubs to get anything done. He believed, IMO, that since his party had majorities in Congress that he could just ram through any legislation he wanted
If anything Obama has had to lure moderate Republicans like Snow to pass policy because corporate-backed blue dog Dems have blocked his efforts to negate years of GOP deregulation that led to our current mess...
He is an epic failure of epic proportions, he has done nothing about the two wars except change generals and continue Bush-era decisions about withdrawal timetables in Iraq.
The Iraq withdrawal may not be on wing-nut radio, but we are on schedule to complete Obama's plan just as he promised.....I am very disappointed that you would not know this...
Is this the real DR or did someone hack his account?Unfortunately for Mr. Obama, he represents the Democratic party just the same as Bush represented the Republican party and no one wanted him around on their campaign trail. Obama finds himself in the exact same position...loathed by FAR too many Americans to have redeeming influence on matters of State.
Obama has had to recently increase the size of the venues he is speaking at because of high demand...
Magic Negro is pulling crowds of 10s of 1000s in each venue.
I think he did, but got on, and it rightfully just a wee bit pissed.
Everytime there has been any whiff of comprimise, the purity brigade in the GOP and the ones who sniff opportunism all over it.
It has been sickening to watch. Most rank and file Democrats are pissed, and just about have had it with the disgustingly cynical bull .
I would not be fully honest, if I didn't admit the Dems did some bull too, but the GOP has smelled blood in the water, and they are having none of the "reach across the isle", country be damned, and no matter how much public good it might do.
I never said he didnt "try", I said (in effect) that he was unable. Blaming his inability to do so on something or someone else means nothing to me.
Just the same thing I said to an employee today...
I care not for the placement of blame, I care only for results.
If his inability to semi-unite Congress under respectable legislation can be excused because you feel the President was wronged or cheated in some way, thats fine. But that isnt good enough for me. Show me results dont list excuses.
Where, in New England? And amongst who?
Every time he shows up in Michigan, he gets a HUUUUGE turnout. Why? Because Detroit is 80% african american and the teacher's union in Michigan is probably the strongest union in the country (well, since the fall of the UAW anyway).
And since he had kissed the proverbial ring of those two for...well, ever, yes, he draws large crowds.
But I guarantee you this. Unless he magically creates 200k jobs in Michigan alone, he will lose Michigan in 2012 by a fair margin. Seeing as our dwindling population makes our electoral significance far less than it used to be, it might not mean much, I admit.
But if there were ever a Blue state, it was this one. Funny thing?
The new-politician, never held office before gubernatorial candidate Rick Snyder (R) leads career politician Verg Benerro (D) by over 40 points.
Dems are done, mostly because of their complete ineffectiveness with power absolute. Queue the rather pathetic excuses about obstructionism and Fox News having an undeserved influence over major voting blocs.
The current schedule to withdraw from Iraq is the same timetable Bush proposed before leaving office, iirc, it became policy as well. So, MrObama either hijacked Bush Jr's plan and called it his own or he is just following an already pre-existing plan....you pick.
Last edited by DarkReign; 10-21-2010 at 02:52 PM.
are you saying that michigan employment was fine in 2008?
[RandomGuy;4686082]I think he did, but got on, and it rightfully just a wee bit pissed.
Everytime there has been any whiff of comprimise, the purity brigade in the GOP and the ones who sniff opportunism all over it.
It has been sickening to watch. Most rank and file Democrats are pissed, and just about have had it with the disgustingly cynical bull .
I would not be fully honest, if I didn't admit the Dems did some bull too, but the GOP has smelled blood in the water, and they are having none of the "reach across the isle", country be damned, and no matter how much public good it might do.
The truth
The new GOP Congress will take political grandstanding to a whole new level. They have no desire to work with Obama with his poll numbers so low.
Agreed in more ways than one, but an adept politician can navigate such waters and still get things done. Maybe his ambitions were too high, maybe he shutout the wrong members, maybe, what if, who knows?
To me, all that amounts to is excuses.
Also agreed. Cynical has never been used more aptly. I realize my couple of posts in this thread make it sound like I am all gung-ho for Republican takeover when nothing could be further from the truth.It has been sickening to watch. Most rank and file Democrats are pissed, and just about have had it with the disgustingly cynical bull .
I would not be fully honest, if I didn't admit the Dems did some bull too, but the GOP has smelled blood in the water, and they are having none of the "reach across the isle", country be damned, and no matter how much public good it might do.
I am only giving my opinion of how I see the Obama government being perceived, which by proxy, is how his party is perceived.
I know for damn sure that Republicans can do nothing better, more effective or even slightly improved. The fiscal situation of this country precludes a gift-giving Congress or a domestically victorious President.
In this entire rant, I have never once offered a solution to Obama's problem(s) for the simple fact that, IMO, there arent any to be had. Its lose-lose, I knew that in 2008, he should have too as should the voters.
But its a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world and in two years, he's done nothing except bail out the banks, investments houses and automotive companies, pass a supremely unpopular abortion of a healthcare bill that will probably never see the light of day, reign over record foreclosures, asset loss and dissolution of American perception about the undying strength of America.
Are any of these things directly his fault? No, not really, IMO. Presidents have gotten credit for the economy (Clinton, Internet Age) and have been blamed for the economy (Carter) since the dawn of the 20th century and really, none of them had any real influence on it except FDR.
Fair is for playgrounds full of schoolchildren, the rest of us jsut have to slog through trying to find out which option is better. Evidence and indrect evidence mounts against him and his party everyday. Rightly or wrongly, thats what it is.
Over the last 2 years both sides have had their opportunity to play the "country be damned" game. In 2009 democrats had no interest in working with republicans and used their supermajority to ram-rod through healthcare "reform". In 2010 republicans had no interest in working with democrats once they saw that the economy wasn't going to get better and that the voter fallout from that would be to their benefit.
No, I am not. But that wasnt my point, anyway.
To nail it down, my entire position is that Obama is perceived negatively and the power of perception.
When perception helped him immensely: On his campaign trail. A young politician with little executive experience or political experience comes out with great speeches and a great message for a lot of Americans. It not only wins him the Dem nomination, it wins him the Presidency and rewrites the power grid in Congress by getting his party in majority. Epic, historic political victory.
When perception has hurt him immensely: Now and in 2012, IMO.
DISCLAIMER: The Republican party will win the midterms and the 2012 election, unless the party puts Palin on the ticket or a similar divisive character.
Last edited by DarkReign; 10-21-2010 at 03:13 PM. Reason: Poorly worded, not much better
"In 2009 democrats had no interest in working with republicans"
There were MANY MANY concessions to Repugs on health care and financial reform, and the Dems got NOTHING in return.
Repug Senate threaten to filibuster EVERY Dem item.
That Repug alone in LA is blocking/extorting Obama's OMB director, even after Obama lifted the drilling ban that she said she had to have before letting him have his OMB director. lying .
Again, it's totally lying false equivalence that Dems and Repugs do the same .
The Dems aren't innocent, but it all, the Repugs are downright eliminationist, nihilist, obstructionist, no matter what the price is to the country.
And there's absolutely nothing at all on the Dem/progressive side to offset the VRWC.
Repugs really hate govt (they've been telling us since St Ronnie got that rolling) and don't actually want to govern, as we saw with the Repugs 2000-2008.
You lie. democrats = republicans. There isn't one political tactic that one side won't resort to. They're identical twins who hate each other and the only difference between them is which group of voters they're trying to suck up to.
Well for one you won't get to call the republicans dead enders anymore.
good point..
Waves beget Waves. First term members of congress and the senate are easier to out for obvious reasons.
I love the theory that Obama hasn't been succesful because of GOP obstruction.
Don't the Dems have a supermajority?
Its a theory? When 90%+ of democrats vote for an initiative and maybe 1 or 2 GOP senators vote for the same initiative I think we can safely say it is GOP obstructionism at work and not just say its a theory.
Well, they got their ty health care bill through with near unanimous GOP opposition.
Maybe it's not that they can't get their ty legislation passed, it's that Amercians don't like what they're passing.
Yes, Americans can't name the ing Vice President but they're deciding how to vote based on their congresspersons and senators voting history.
More likely people are like you and have no idea why they vote the way they do.@ being pissed off about your vote before the person you voted for even takes office. Darrin you're the poster child for voter stupidity.
Obama has tried everything to lure moderate Republicans, even watering down legislation like the health-care bill, but the GOP is so corrupt there is no negotiating from them...you can't blame Obama for that, but that doesn't stop the GOP from trying...If his inability to semi-unite Congress under respectable legislation can be excused because you feel the President was wronged or cheated in some way, thats fine. But that isnt good enough for me. Show me results dont list excuses.
Maybe Barry should have thrown 300 million dollars to some of their states they represent. Now that would have been trying everything to lure them.
The Dems will retain control of the Senate and Presidency, 2012 is still a long way away, so calling the Dems 'done' is premature....a lot can happen between now and 2012...the Dems don't vote in lock-step blocs the way the GOP does..for better or worse, that's democracy.Dems are done, mostly because of their complete ineffectiveness with power absolute. Queue the rather pathetic excuses about obstructionism and Fox News having an undeserved influence over major voting blocs.
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