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    I think you missed my point Teysha. I doubt that NPR is in the business of trying to have the highest paid analysts around. I'm not sure how Fox news paying him 2 million is somehow setting them back.

    Did you listen to NPR or visit their site in order to read his work for them? Do you feel they'll lose a large listener volume? If anything the amount of publicity they're getting during their annual membership drive is going to get them a larger amount of money than before. When people who listen to NPR hear that they've pissed of Sarah Palin they may just want to donate.

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    I'm guessing Williams already had his deal worked out with fox, told npr he was going to leave and npr found an excuse to show him the door early.
    I guess anything's possible and since we're just speculating I think Fox is trying to cash in on people like Jack and Darrin who have probably never heard of Juan Williams before yet have now made him their latest hero.

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    I think you missed my point Teysha. I doubt that NPR is in the business of trying to have the highest paid analysts around. I'm not sure how Fox news paying him 2 million is somehow setting them back.

    Did you listen to NPR or visit their site in order to read his work for them? Do you feel they'll lose a large listener volume? If anything the amount of publicity they're getting during their annual membership drive is going to get them a larger amount of money than before. When people who listen to NPR hear that they've pissed of Sarah Palin they may just want to donate.
    I've read 2 of his books fairly recently. "Enough" and "Thurgood Marshall: American Revolutionary"

    The Marshall book was an espcially good read as I really didn't know much about him outside of his SCOTUS iden y.

    Sorry...I didn't completely address your question.

    Undoubtably NPR will lose some listeners...I mean, what station doesn't when they fire a talking head? How many? Dunno. Does it really matter? Nah.
    It wont chase me off cause I completely dig NPR..but I understand their perspective and listen accordingly.

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    I've read 2 of his books fairly recently. "Enough" and "Thurgood Marshall: American Revolutionary"

    The Marshall book was an espcially good read as I really didn't know much about him outside of his SCOTUS iden y.

    Sorry...I didn't completely address your question.

    Undoubtably NPR will lose some listeners...I mean, what station doesn't when they fire a talking head? How many? Dunno. Does it really matter? Nah.
    It wont chase me off cause I completely dig NPR..but I understand their perspective and listen accordingly.
    I've never read anything of his. I used to listen to NPR more but I lost track with many of their podcasts although on long drives if I can find an NPR station - and you usually can - I do listen them when music gets boring.

    To be honest I don't read anything from any of their correspondents or news analysts or personalities.

    I can't see them gaining any listeners but I doubt anyone remembers about this one week down the line. The world will be back to "juan who?"

    I do agree with you that anytime a network loses a voice that provides good insight or information that network has lost an asset but I think you and I both know thats not what Darrin's point was.

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    I guess anything's possible and since we're just speculating I think Fox is trying to cash in on people like Jack and Darrin who have probably never heard of Juan Williams before yet have now made him their latest hero.
    I think fox has been looking for a replacement token democrat since Colmes left Hannity.

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    I've never read anything of his. I used to listen to NPR more but I lost track with many of their podcasts although on long drives if I can find an NPR station - and you usually can - I do listen them when music gets boring.

    To be honest I don't read anything from any of their correspondents or news analysts or personalities.

    I can't see them gaining any listeners but I doubt anyone remembers about this one week down the line. The world will be back to "juan who?"

    I do agree with you that anytime a network loses a voice that provides good insight or information that network has lost an asset but I think you and I both know thats not what Darrin's point was.
    I think if you had read Williams, your perspective might change just a bit....it's a net loss for NPR IMHO and yeah, that's not exactly what Darrin was talkin' bout.

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    NPR is good when you have insomnia.

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    What mjaor bull to fire Juan Williams, not that I listen to NPR or care about his work on NPR...but it was such a weak comment that I don't think it's worth him losing his job over it. Hopefully Fox gives him a bigger pay check and he can be the new Alan Colmes!

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    Conservatives declare war on NPR

    NPR CEO Vivian Schiller responded to Williams' claims, arguing that Williams broke company rules for reporters by voicing opinions he would not voice as an NPR reporter.

    A critical distinction has been lost in this debate. NPR News analysts have a distinctive role and set of responsibilities. This is a very different role than that of a commentator or columnist. News analysts may not take personal public positions on controversial issues; doing so undermines their credibility as analysts, and that's what’s happened in this situation. As you all well know, we offer views of all kinds on your air every day, but those views are expressed by those we interview — not our reporters and analysts.

    She added that Williams' feelings about Muslims at airports should be between himself and "his psychiatrist or publicist."

    While the effort to defund NPR may gain media attention in the coming days, it may not have as much impact as NPR's detractors may be hoping. According to the LA Times, NPR's national operation only receives about one percent to 3 percent of its revenue from federal grants; local stations depend on federal grants for about 10 percent of their revenue.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/c...clare-war-npr/

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    She added that Williams' feelings about Muslims at airports should be between himself and "his psychiatrist or publicist."

    What a ed up thing to say. Sounds like he's better off without doing charity work for NPR.

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    I see their token conservative, who is too far left for me, was too far right for them.

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    (David Brooks is NPR's token conservative)

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    No, he was an analyst, supposed to objective as primary value, who exposed his prejudice publicly, pretty much screwing his analytical credibility.

    A being prejudiced, bigoted against Muslims, he's a perfect fit for Fox Repug Propaganda spew machine.

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    NPR is good when you have insomnia.
    It probably seems that way when most of your news comes from people who are shouting their message.

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    No, he was an analyst, supposed to objective as primary value, who exposed his prejudice publicly, pretty much screwing his analytical credibility.

    A being prejudiced, bigoted against Muslims, he's a perfect fit for Fox Repug Propaganda spew machine.
    That's the funny thing about this. Williams was making the exact opposite point to O'Reilly. The far left has gone absolutely crazy. (Not trying to imply you're far left boutons, we all know your just plain crazy.)

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    Williams was making the exact opposite point to O'Reilly.
    What point was he making, in your view?

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    He should be fired for such comments. If someone in his position goes on air and says "when I see two men kissing, it absolutely disgusts me," he would be fired. His statement was no different. Is it right? No, but this is the type of sensitive society we've created.
    If such comments should be kept quite because they disturb others, then two men kissing should also be shunned as it disturbs others.

    Cannot have it both ways.

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    Oh noes, NPR lost out on the star free agent of the journalism off season. Oh wait.
    Only black one too. Oh noes, NPR are racist!!!!

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    Only black one too. Oh noes, NPR are racist!!!!
    Yes.

    They were just looking for a reason to get rid of their token black I bet.

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    I wonder where everyone who is pissed off about this was when Octavia Nasr was fired this summer?

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    That was totally different. Nasr was fired for speaking too respectfully of a Muslim.

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    Naturally. I guess Palin didn't care about her first amendment rights nor did Huckabee feel the need to boycott CNN. By the way, can someone refresh my memory as to how many millions she got from Fox News and how many youtubes on the subject Darrin posted?

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    Regardless of the hypocrisy, it was a colossally moronic move by NPR.

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    Williams and O'Reilly blast NPR.


    They make a good point: Juan stating how he "feels" on flights with Muslims in "full Muslim garb" is NOT an opinion.


    Interview with Williams starts about 4 min in.


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    Regardless of the hypocrisy, it was a colossally moronic move by NPR.
    This.

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