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    Williams: NPR was looking for reason to fire him

    By BRETT ZONGKER, Associated Press Writer Brett Zongker, Associated Press Writer – 5 mins ago



    NPR very actively discourages staff from being too politically active. It was noted by NPR itself in a piece I listened to last night that they have forbidden staff from attending Stewarts March to Restore Sanity in a couple of weeks.

    From what it is worth, it appears Mr. Williams is likely right when he says this.
    *cough*Marra Liasson *cough*

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    I remember there was a study back in 2003, where photos were flashed of black and white men, some armed with guns, others with cell phones or wallets, some unarmed. The test subjects had about half a second to decide quickly whether to press a "shoot" or "don't shoot" button, based on the photos.


    It was shown that subjects were more likely to shoot the photos of black men, even when unarmed. There was no discrepancy between black and white test subjects.



    So, we are probably programmed to react this way, based on how we are conditioned. There is nothing bigotted about self-preservation. If there is a visceral reaction to seeing an orthadox Muslim at an airport, it probably has more to do with witnessing the past 40 years of jihadist terrorist attacks and associating things like 9/11 with that "bearded" image than it has to do with counscious, pre-meditated bigotry.

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    I'll read it in a bit, but the premise that refusing to run cartoons is islamaphobic is completely wrong because that anticipates the reaction of an extremest group and not all Muslims. Poorly thought out parallel.
    That woman that came up with the idea for "Everybody Draw Muhammed Day" (PBUH) had to basically give up her iden y and go into hiding as suggested to her by the FBI.

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    I find the rate at which this country views "bigots" in such black and white terms, simply because of their natural reactions to certain stimuli, quite alarming. People completely ignore the natural psychological aspects of these things. Seeing Muslims in religious clothing at an airport brings rushing to the front, memories of 9/11 and ideas of extremists. It appears many repress or even deny having these thoughts, but I find that extremely hard to believe. Humans naturally associate former learning with new stimuli, which is why you have people railing against the GZ mosque, and feeling a bit uneasy around traditional Muslims at airports.

    It's not bigotry, by and large. It's a human reaction, which must then be repressed voluntarily.

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    By EMILIO KARIM DABUL
    NPR's firing of commentator Juan Williams this week is one of the worst examples of rush to judgment since 9/11.

    Mr. Williams, whether one tends to agree with him or not, is immensely respected by his fellow journalists and viewers alike for his ability to conduct himself with dignity and respect in a field where extremes of opinion and low-ball tactics have become all too common. He's mostly a moderate liberal who is able to hear other points of view with respect, and he can be nuanced in his own views.

    In these times, Mr. Williams's instinct for finding both middle and common ground is no small feat.

    And for what offense has he been pilloried by the censorship squad of NPR? For saying out loud what many Americans think—that he gets nervous when he's on a plane and sees people dressed in traditional Muslim garb.

    As an Arab-American of Muslim descent, I am not offended by this because in all honesty I have had the same reaction in similar cir stances. In Berlin a couple of years ago, my flight was delayed because, we were told, one of the passengers, who was in a wheelchair, needed extra assistance. When she finally was brought into the waiting area, she was covered from head to toe in traditional Muslim dress and only her eyes were visible. What happened? I grew nervous. I got on the plane just the same, but with trepidation.

    Was my response rational? Yes and no.

    It was not Muslims in traditional garb who hijacked those planes on 9/11, and it certainly was not Muslim women in veils and wheelchairs. If anything, an Islamist terrorist wants to blend in, not stand out.

    However, it was not a traditional sort of terrorist attack I feared in this case, but perhaps something unexpected: a traditional Muslim woman in a veil, confined to a wheelchair, who was loaded with explosives.

    That may make me guilty of an overactive imagination, but perhaps not. Not that many years later, a young Muslim on an international flight into Detroit tried to light explosives in his underwear.

    I mention all this for one main reason. I grew up surrounded by Islamic culture, went to Islamic events, and was used to seeing women in traditional Muslim clothing, and yet when that woman appeared at the Berlin airport, I was scared.

    That's all Mr. Williams was saying. He didn't say that they should be removed from the plane, treated differently, or anything close to that. He simply said he got nervous. And for that, he was fired.

    The reality is that when Muslims cease to be the main perpetrators of terrorism in the world, such fears about traditional garb are bound to vanish. Until such time, the anxiety will remain. In the long run, it's what we do with such fears that matters, not that we have them.

    But regarding what happened to Mr. Williams, no one should tolerate such intolerant behavior on the part of NPR. This broadcast network is paid for by the American taxpayers, and as such we all have a stake in its decisions.

    Anyone who cares about freedom of speech should protest what has been done to this decent and fair man. And even if that were not the case, even if Mr. Williams' views made him a detestable ogre to most, he still has the right to voice them. For many Americans, NPR's consistent tilt to the left has caused them to reject it as a viable source of news.

    NPR often embodies the very things it claims to stand against: unfairness, narrow-mindedness and reactionary policies.

    I ask all Americans of conscience, most particularly those of Arab and/or Muslim descent, to protest the firing of Juan Williams and to demand that public funding to NPR cease until Mr. Williams's good name has been cleared and he has been rehired (if he still wants to work for this network).

    We deserve better from a public radio network funded by taxpayer money.

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    So Juan Williams himself sees his firing for what it was.

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    So the Repug/Fox Repug Propaganda network's Muslim-baiting, Islamophobia, xenophobia is paying off.

    Excellent! The VRWC always raises the bar and moves society forward.

    And now Fox Repug Network has its token conservative Uncle Tom, like the SCOTUS has its Uncle Tom.

    Let's all give a paranoid cheer for the liberal bias that dominates the media.

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    I find the rate at which this country views "bigots" in such black and white terms, simply because of their natural reactions to certain stimuli, quite alarming. People completely ignore the natural psychological aspects of these things. Seeing Muslims in religious clothing at an airport brings rushing to the front, memories of 9/11 and ideas of extremists. It appears many repress or even deny having these thoughts, but I find that extremely hard to believe. Humans naturally associate former learning with new stimuli, which is why you have people railing against the GZ mosque, and feeling a bit uneasy around traditional Muslims at airports.

    It's not bigotry, by and large. It's a human reaction, which must then be repressed voluntarily.
    I watched the horrors of 9/11 too. I'm no fan of Al Queda. Why don't I experience fear when I see Muslims boarding an airplane?

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    NPR gets almost nothing from the feds, and local affiliates get only 10% from NPR.

    Defund ACORN, defund NPR, and keeping subsidizing oil/coal/gas and bull /bogus wars. Got it. What a ing screwed up country.

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    I'm glad you brought up ACORN because my thoughts yesterday were that NPR was about to get the ACORN treatment.

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    "The reality is that when Muslims cease to be the main perpetrators of terrorism in the world, such fears about traditional garb are bound to vanish."

    While those who "fear" are undoubtedly branded Islamophobes, this is exactly what I'm getting at. Most Americans realize the robed Muslims on their planes aren't going to hijack their plane or be associated with terrorism. It doesn't stop their brains from rushing "Muslim extremist terrorist 9/11 airplane hijackers" to their thought center and releasing neurotransmitters like adrenaline.

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    I watched the horrors of 9/11 too. I'm no fan of Al Queda. Why don't I experience fear when I see Muslims boarding an airplane?
    Because you are more level headed than most Americans. That doesn't make them bigots by default.

    Although Mr. Williams made a very poor choice announcing his irrationality to the general public, I daresay in a normal everyday conversation such words would go essentially unnoticed.

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    Because you are more level headed than most Americans. That doesn't make them bigots by default.
    I disagree but if we want to discard the word bigot for the sake of the argument then whatever as long as people acknowledge its a problem. Its not the label that matters but what is being labeled that matters and the word bigot is apparently a huge thorn in people's sides.

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    Okay, whether he's a bigot or not, I don't think he acted unnaturally. Irrationally, sure, maybe even Islamophobically. But for some, that is a natural reaction, not rooted in hate or bigotry or whatever, but a sneaking fear based on primal and biochemical urges. It's not a "black and white", cut and dry situation, is all I'm saying.

    He made a bad choice announcing these things out, though. It almost sounds as if he was looking for a way out of his old job.

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    I watched the horrors of 9/11 too. I'm no fan of Al Queda. Why don't I experience fear when I see Muslims boarding an airplane?

    Because you're an extra-brave little weatherman.

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    Okay, whether he's a bigot or not, I don't think he acted unnaturally. Irrationally, sure, maybe even Islamophobically. But for some, that is a natural reaction, not rooted in hate or bigotry or whatever, but a sneaking fear based on primal and biochemical urges. It's not a "black and white", cut and dry situation, is all I'm saying.

    He made a bad choice announcing these things out, though. It almost sounds as if he was looking for a way out of his old job.
    Thats such a cop out, in my opinion. EVERY feeling or decision we have has its roots in biochemical reaction. I refuse to just chalk this up to that. I'm not disputing what you are saying, but I am saying we need to expect more from ourselves.

    In essence, I agree with what you're saying and your rationalization but I also don't think its simply 9/11 that causes these type of feelings but rather our societies view of Muslims in general which I believe to be severely flawed. I think the fact that Darrin points out above how our entire society views black people in a subconscious negative light is the exact same situation.

    If his reaction was based on conditioning - and I believe it is - then thats a problem.


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    People are so PC-sensitive about the word "bigot."

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    Conditioning certainly is the major player. Yet that's not entirely our media or society to blame, is it? When every terrorist threat we fear generally holds one common denominator: they're from an extremist Muslim sect?

    However small a percentage, those extremely rotten apples caused the outlook on Islam to sour for Americans, especially concerning our flights (and the fact we've waged two wars over 9/11 can't ever be dismissed). Should every Muslim be branded now? Of course not, and feeling queasy for any discernible ideological reasoning is definitely bigotry. But airplanes and Muslims is a word association some Americans feel queasy making, solely because of the way we're wired, IMO.

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    Because you're an extra-brave little weatherman.
    I'm at a loss as to why you continue to try to insult me by pointing out I'm majoring in meteorology but I do find it funny. Carry on.

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    I'm at a loss as to why you continue to try to insult me by pointing out I'm majoring in meteorology but I do find it funny. Carry on.
    It's funnier because he's doing it while "working."

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    I'm at a loss as to why you continue to try to insult me by pointing out I'm majoring in meteorology but I do find it funny. Carry on.

    Hey, I'm just joking. I actually think it's a cool profession. They didn't have that as a major where I went to school.

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    What point was he making, in your view?
    Well remember the context of his conversation was concerning O'Reilly's comment that "Muslims killed us on 9/11". He went on to say (paraphrasing) that we still need to keep in mind that muslims have equal cons utional rights and we shouldn't lump all muslims together bla bla bla. Nothing bigoted at all in his comments.

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    Again, Marra Liasson is toast.
    Don't know why not but she's not. Apparently, consistency is the hobgoblin of y minds.

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    Well remember the context of his conversation was concerning O'Reilly's comment that "Muslims killed us on 9/11". He went on to say (paraphrasing) that we still need to keep in mind that muslims have equal cons utional rights and we shouldn't lump all muslims together bla bla bla. Nothing bigoted at all in his comments.
    Maybe not. That's sort of a side point so I'll cede to your better judgment on that.

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    The only thing that makes me angry with this entire story is that he gets a $2mil contract from FOX. Damn son. 2 million dollars to state the obvious for 10 mins a day.

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