son that's only because the UFC is dominated by under achieving white boys lol .... most black fighters go towards boxing. if there was legit money in the UFC, then you would see more black fighters dominating the sport. however the funny thing is that although there are far more whites in the UFC than blacks, the blacks still easily hold their own and arguably dominate it. just imagine there were just as many black fighters in the UFC as whites?
LMFAO. What black guys dominate boxing, all the champs are from Europe and are as white as snow you idiot...
Unless you count that british pussy David Haye and Floyd i'm too scared to fight Manny Pacquio..
Mexico and the US used to dominate boxing now it is mostly Europe and blacks are going MMA. MMA is the reason boxing is dying in the US.. It is thriving on other countries but dying here..
As far as you saying there is no money in the UFC. A recent article i read stated that with sponsors and bonuses Brock makes about 5 mil a fight..
without reading the rest of the posts i'm telling you Shane Carwin dominates Cain and Dos Santos
lol Brock is a rare situation in the UFC ... even so, only $5M per fight? .... Floyd May was making over $20M per fight. MOST guys in the UFC make about $10,000-$20,000 per fight while bags like Dana White make millions. don't be mad about the truth.
Yeah and everyone else in boxing mid level or lower makes nothing. Marvin Hagler used to fight on undercards for 15 K a fight before he made it big. What you think i don't know boxing buddy?? I'm a fight fan period.. There is no money in boxing unless you are a star, same can go for the UFC.. And with the sport getting less and less popular in the US the 20 mil pay-days will be extinct in the next few years. People have been begging for Manny and Floyd for years and we may never see it or see it when they both suck and it won't matter.. That's why boxing blows these days, the best rarely get together and in fight..
In the UFC Brock was Champ, Cain was 1 contender
BAM fight gets made..
Most guys in boxing make the same.. You had guys on Season One of the Contender who were 20-0 and cleaning toilets and fixing cars for a living...
The UFC might not have the best contracts, but those bonuses go a long way toward 1) exposing fighters to sponsorships where the real money is made 2) sometimes being double what the fighter would make even with win bonus.
You've gotta pay trainers, gym, and other fees...but when you're young and working your way up the ladder, a 16+16 contract doesn't seem too bad when you add in all the bonuses and fight 3 times a year. If you have the heart to fight, I think it can be comfortable until you get to Contender status (usually after 5-6 fights, 2 years). Contenders are REAL in the UFC, and most of the time good match-ups are made. There's no le match dodging for the champs.
BTW this fight tonight also confirms what i have been saying forever about Fedor in that he has been fighting basically bums for years. Cain is far and away superior to anyone Fedor has fought since Pride went under. he's probably the best fighter he'd ever fight.. It's one of the great tragedies in MMA history that Fedor never made the jump to the UFC to fight the best of the new breed. It really is pathetic..
just got real...
UFC 127: in a Cage
Lol damn.... never knew about any history between those two.
lol "You wanna do it?" Cheesy pick up line..
Pretty sure Brock would have broke that toothpick underfaker in two...
The truth is.................there is a HUGE gap between a true MMA athlete like Cain and Brock Lesnar. Brock has won every fight on pure strength, but he got exposed big time by a real MMA person. I bet guys are lining up now to fight Brock.......they know how to beat him now. Kind of like when Buster beat up on Mike Tyson. He was exposed and everyone wanted a piece of Mike. Blam..........down went his career.
I never seen so many happy people leave the Honda Center in all my life ......
lol you're my boy blue but c'mon.
Brock is marketed because he is a physical phenom. He is a man in a silverback guerrilla body. We will probably never again see a man that big that can move that fast. He also has the college wrestling background and can be used to pull in more of the fake-tighties wwe crowd.
He got tore up by Cain because he started mma training too damn late and is still pretty raw.
hahahahhahahaha
I'll have to agree with this. What if the man had more years of mma training? .....Damn
The thing that's clear to me is that Brock has a suspect chin.
Brock will be back. MMA is so damn well rounded today it is almost impossible to get on a roll and stay on a roll. The HW is really good now, Brock's arrival helped to get it off the ground.
o getting cut as expected..
White also told ESPN, “I think we know what happens when you lose four in a row in the UFC. This is the big leagues, man.”
What’s next for Velasquez, Lesnar?
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/les...r-iii-1402505/
ANAHEIM, Calif. – Cain Velasquez answered all of the questions from the fighting community about whether he was really as good as his reputation, dominating Brock Lesnar to win the UFC heavyweight le on Saturday night.
But he has a new set of obstacles to overcome, with his next le defense scheduled against Junior Dos Santos (12-1).
Cain Velasquez (top) "was better than me tonight," Brock Lesnar said about his UFC 121 opponent.
Where Lesnar (5-2) goes from here is a bigger question. The former champion didn’t appear at the postfight news conference at the Honda Center. UFC president Dana White said that Lesnar, a larger-than-life character, told him he didn’t want to steal the spotlight from Velasquez. In the cage after the fight, Lesnar indicated he plans on returning.
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Javier Mendez, Velasquez’s trainer, believes the two will meet again.
“The thing is, Brock is really green as a fighter,” said Mendez. “He’s an incredible athlete. Cain is ahead of him right now, but Brock has so much athleticism and so much room for improvement and when we see him the next time, he’ll be a lot better. Cain also has to keep improving.”
“I expected nothing less from him; he’s a great fighter. Congratulations, Cain,” Lesnar said after the fight ended. “I had a good training camp. What can I say? He was better than me tonight.”
UFC president Dana White said he ultimately expects Lesnar to return.
“I don’t know,” he said. “I personally think the compe ive side of him is going to come out. Hunting may not be as much of a priority as if he won the fight. That’s what I think.”
UFC officials, as well as those close to Lesnar, indicated that Frank Mir, with whom Lesnar has split two fights, is his next likely opponent. The fight makes sense. Mir is coming off a knockout win over Mirko Filipovic on Sept. 25, and he has been Lesnar’s biggest career rival, with insults between the two going back and forth dating back nearly three years.
Lesnar vs. Mir III is almost guaranteed to be a huge fight, given that Mir is an expert of hyping a fight, but also, legitimately, Mir doesn’t like Lesnar, feeling Lesnar disrespected him after beating him at UFC 100. The match would likely be as big or bigger than any championship match that UFC could promote right now.
Their first match was a huge success on pay-per-view. Their second, which Lesnar won via second round TKO, was at the time the biggest match in mixed martial arts history, going by public interest.
The winner of that fight would be right back in championship contention.
The reality is that Lesnar got this far so quickly due to his combination of overpowering size, strength and ridiculous quickness for his size, which made up for his lack of experience. Velasquez, 20 pounds lighter than Lesnar, couldn’t stop Lesnar’s takedown. But both times Velasquez was off his feet, he popped up immediately. When the two were standing, Lesnar couldn’t match the hand speed of Velasquez, or the poise of staying composed while in a slugfest. That left Lesnar off-balance, and once Velasquez took him down, he never fully recovered.
White expects that the next heavyweight le fight would be sooner with Velasquez than it would have been if Lesnar won. He wouldn’t give a time frame, saying it was up to Velasquez, who improved to 9-0 and kept up his string of having never lost a round during his career.
“It wasn’t a hard training camp, but it was a long training camp,” said Velasquez. “I’d like to give some attention to my family, hang out with them for a little while.”
Velasquez deflected any questions of when he would be ready to fight again to his trainers. Mendez said that he’d give Velasquez one or two weeks off to celebrate his win, but he wanted him back in the gym because Dos Santos is a completely different fighter and poses different problems.
But Mendez indicated that Velasquez would be ready whenever the UFC called, and he indicated the spring would be no problem. UFC has major main events filled through February, so the March or April period would fit well.
“I’m fine, just bruises here and there,” Velasquez said. “I feel good.”
“The one thing we have to realize going in is that Dos Santos has better boxing than Cain,” said Mendez. “I think he’s got the best boxing in the heavyweight division. He also has good takedown defense, and he’s strong on the ground. Cain has the better wrestling and the better kicking.”
“We’ll definitely have to have a different game plan for him,” said Velasquez. “He’s a great boxer. He’s got great takedown defense. He poses a real threat. We have to watch a lot of film and prepare.”
Among the fighters under UFC contract, the other two key contenders right now would be Shane Carwin and Roy Nelson, who meet on Jan. 1 in Las Vegas.
Carwin vs. Velasquez would be another battle of power vs. speed and technique. Carwin has the best one-punch knockout power in the sport, but based on their respective performances against Lesnar, it would appear Velasquez has more weapons at his disposal.
Nelson has unique marketability based on his rotund physique, which makes him endearing to the public. He would create interest in a le fight. He’s got far more jiu-jitsu experience than Velasquez, but Nelson’s other strengths, his wrestling and boxing, are areas in which Velasquez is better. And Velasquez is younger, faster and has a major conditioning edge as well.
“He’s not going to get the big head,” said Mendez. “He wants to be an all-time great in the sport and winning the le is just the first step. You don’t become an all-time great with one big win.” The fight was heavily hyped around the idea that Velasquez had the chance to become the first Mexican world heavyweight champion in the history of combat sports.
The UFC has, up to this point, never fully broken through with the Latino audience that has carried boxing in the U.S. for the past decade. That put a lot of pressure on Velasquez, 28, who has only had one main event in his career, that being in Australia. But he said that didn’t affect him until after the fight ended.
“It felt the same [when he was coming to the cage],” he said. “I was thinking, ‘This time is finally here. The moment I’ve worked so hard for is finally here.’ ”
The crowd reaction to Velasquez’s victory was one of the loudest in the history of the sport.
“It was one of the biggest,” said Dana White. “Maybe the biggest.”
The only comparable reactions in UFC history would have been for Randy Couture’s 2007 heavyweight le win over Tim Sylvia in Columbus, Ohio, and Georges St. Pierre’s 2008 welterweight le win over Matt Serra in Montreal. The difference was that Couture and St. Pierre were established stars who were already two of the company’s most popular names.
This reaction, so loud partially due to the fact that the big size difference made Velasquez look like such a physical underdog, indicated the possible birth of a new company superstar.
“When I’m fighting, I don’t hear the crowd,” he said. “I sometimes hear my corner. When the fight was stopped, that’s when I heard it. That when I really absorbed it. It was the same as when I fought last year in L.A. I really felt the crowd.”
They actually started their MMA training right around the same time. Who can say if one guy has been more consistent than the other over that time. I do think Cain has more intangibles that you see in many of the great fighters.
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