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    The UK allows Sharia law if the citizens agree, completely voluntary.

    Church law is already in force in Christian churches, if the members submit to it. Same would be true of Sharia law with a Muslim ins ution. Of course, Sharia law like honor killings, acid face washes, de-nosing, genital mutilation would still be governed by secular laws.

    hmm, people mutilate themselves all the time with piercings, tatoos, nose and earlobe insertions, but that's ok with tea baggers.

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    I'm pretty sure the Native American nations do a fair amount of self-governing. The Sharia exclusion seems like it would be in direct opposition to what already exists in vast portions of Oklahoma. Odd that they, of all states, wouldn't have the ability to properly place this in context.

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    I'm pretty sure the Native American nations do a fair amount of self-governing. The Sharia exclusion seems like it would be in direct opposition to what already exists in vast portions of Oklahoma. Odd that they, of all states, wouldn't have the ability to properly place this in context.

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    Technically the reservations are not part of the US (more like protectorates) or subject to their laws per US treaties. It's also why the reservations don't get much in the way of federal help.

    Completely different situation.

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    Technically the reservations are not part of the US (more like protectorates) or subject to their laws per US treaties. It's also why the reservations don't get much in the way of federal help.

    Completely different situation.
    The reservations get tons of federal aid. I'm not sure where you're getting that info.

    The Bureau of Indian Affairs would be a good place to start your research.

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    The reservations get tons of federal aid. I'm not sure where you're getting that info.

    The Bureau of Indian Affairs would be a good place to start your research.
    $2.4 billion for 310 reservations = $7.8 million per reservation.

    Majority of reservations need a LOT of improvements to be livable by most people's standards.

    Meanwhile, $50+ billion in federal aid to foreign countries....

    Irrelevant to the topic at hand, anyway.

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    how is this going to be enforced exactly without running the risk of the executive or legislative policing the judicial branch? It seems like an intrusion into seperate powers of the judicial branch of OK. It also seems like a meaningless gesture done to bring out a certain type of voter to voting booth (like when a bunch of states put cons utional amendments outlawing gay marriages during Bush's second campaign). Really, what are the chances that any court in OK is regularly relying on Sharia to resolve a disputed case. I mean, maybe mediators there approve agreements between parties based on Sharia, but how often does even that happen? It's more than likely a made up issue to rally the bigots to vote (R).

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    I'm pretty sure the Native American nations do a fair amount of self-governing. The Sharia exclusion seems like it would be in direct opposition to what already exists in vast portions of Oklahoma. Odd that they, of all states, wouldn't have the ability to properly place this in context.

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    Except we know thats not whats being voted on. You might as well frame the question on the ballot as do you like Muslims or not.

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    $2.4 billion for 310 reservations = $7.8 million per reservation.

    Majority of reservations need a LOT of improvements to be livable by most people's standards.

    Meanwhile, $50+ billion in federal aid to foreign countries....

    Irrelevant to the topic at hand, anyway.
    So about 3k/person? I guess that is kinda low.

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    Technically the reservations are not part of the US (more like protectorates) or subject to their laws per US treaties. It's also why the reservations don't get much in the way of federal help.

    Completely different situation.
    All reservations are subject to federal law - it's why fugitives can't just hide out there and claim sanctuary when the FBI comes calling. I'm pretty sure anyone at Wounded Knee would tell you that.

    They don't get much in the way of federal help because it's not an issue that voters care about, and there's not a strong lobby.

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    All reservations are subject to federal law - it's why fugitives can't just hide out there and claim sanctuary when the FBI comes calling. I'm pretty sure anyone at Wounded Knee would tell you that.

    They don't get much in the way of federal help because it's not an issue that voters care about, and there's not a strong lobby.
    Not completely. The more serious federal crimes are handled by the federal government (like murder, etc), but mostly they are allowed to operate themselves as they see fit on the reservations.

    But yeah, as far as I know, no fugitives should be able to hide out on reservations.

    I was a little off there.

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    Except we know thats not whats being voted on. You might as well frame the question on the ballot as do you like Muslims or not.
    Exactly. That they produce a ballot initiative period, demonstrates some willfull ignorance on their part.

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    I have to wonder how many matters of first impression are actually ruled upon by Oklahoma courts, and which judges ruling in those cases would look to Shiara for guidance.

    I'm going to go with almost zero and zero, respectively.

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    So about 3k/person? I guess that is kinda low.
    You've got to look at how the spending is tallied. It's not a common tax dollar/citizen relationship that you would apply to the rest of the country. For example, there is alot of subsidization of various corps that operate on reservations or hire Native American workers. You won't see those dollars tallied in a straight line comparison. In fact, during the 70's and 80's, spending per captia was slightly higher per Native American than for the rest of the American citizenry. The kicker was that much of that spending was used to feed the various Federal agencies that administer to that population.

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    I have to wonder how many matters of first impression are actually ruled upon by Oklahoma courts, and which judges ruling in those cases would look to Shiara for guidance.

    I'm going to go with almost zero and zero, respectively.
    lolz..pretty much.

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    What bit, please? You just lost me...
    The post RandomGuy made as actual wording from the ballot:

    The law of nations is formed by the general assent of civilized nations. Sources of international law also include international agreements, as well as treaties.

    State courts are compelled to treat such treaties as 'the Law of the Land' per Article IV.

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    Gotcha. Thx.

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    WH, your new avatar is ing me up.

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    Like the weather in south central Texas, my avatar is subject to sudden change.

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    A federal appeals court has blocked an Oklahoma voter-approved measure barring state judges from considering Islamic and international law in their decisions.

    The three-judge panel at the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an earlier injunction preventing State Question 755 from being certified until the free speech questions are resolved. The decision Tuesday allows a lawsuit brought by Islamic-American groups to move ahead to a bench trial.
    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/01/10/ju...ria/index.html

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    Your welcome.

    You know why they are doing this don't you? It's going to piss you off big time. Because they can.

    Our laws tell these muslims they can't rape married women then kill them for cheating on their husbands for example. Sooner country is just reminded them what country they live in.

    Kind of like when I tell you are insecure and petty. Just a little reminder.
    Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to pe ion the Government for a redress of grievances.

    You idiot.

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    if they want their own laws, tell them to fck off back to where they came from

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    if they want their own laws, tell them to fck off back to where they came from
    Muslims are not the only religious group with their own religious codes that function somewhat like civil laws.

    Orthodox jews have their own peculiar sets of edicts as well.


    Meh, I have no problem with silly leftover "laws" from ancient supers ious belief systems, as long as they don't violate anybody else's rights.

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    america bending over taking it in the ass from the jews, now the muslim brotherhood wants america to bend over and adopt its sharia laws...

    lol wankers who escaped their country of origin, forcing the new country which accepted them to bend over when it should be the other way around

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