Hopefully we'll eventually get to see Carwin/Cain. Of all the matchups I can think of between every heavyweight, that one would be miles ahead as the most entertaining.
BTW, what ever happened with the steroid scandal with Carwin?
What the was that about? Undertaker actually asked Brock "Do you wanna do it" after he got the beat out of him. That is like Peter Mcneely asking Tyson to step outside after Buster Douglas knocked him out.. I mean give me a break. What they have some dumb ass beef from their WWE days..
Taker is a clown..
That's just Taker bringing in his WWE clown acting since he had a camera in front of him. I agree though.
sons the real is starting already! ...
The Undertaker confronts Brock Lesnar; Wrestlemania match rumored
A very strange exchange involving former World Heavyweight Champion Brock Lesnar and his former WWE colleague The Undertaker occured immediately after the fight between Lesnar and Cain Velasquez. The Undertaker, who is a long-time MMA fan, was being interviewed by Ariel Helwani at ringside about his thoughts on the fight. As the two were talking Brock Lesnar walked past and the two of them stared at eache other, with The Undertaker shouting at him “You wanna do it?”.
When pressed afterwards by Ariel Helwani about whether the two were “cool” The Undertaker responded that it was “personal” and then went on to say that Lesnar needs to train harder and refused to say that he had rooted for his former colleague against Velasquez. The full exchange is contained in the video below:
Later on Ariel Helwani raised not only the confrontation with Dana White but the rumors swirling around the Honda Center that this tied into an attempt by the WWE to sign a match between Brock Lesnar and The Undertaker for next year’s Wrestlemania. White dismissed such a notion, saying that the Undertaker regularly comes to UFC events and that he had heard nothing of a possible return by Lesnar to pro-wrestling. He did however confirm that he had been ‘butting heads’ with Lesnar recently. Could Lesnar be looking to make a lucrative return to pro-wrestling? Stay tuned to Inside Fights for all the latest news on this developing story.
http://insidefights.com/2010/10/24/t...match-rumored/
Going back to WWE even for one match would breach his contract with the UFC as i understand it. The confrontation with Taker and Brock would make sense if they were talking about it and looking to get some hype going but the UFC is not likely to let Brock outta his deal to take on Taker in WWE. And i doubt Brock wants to leave the UFC after all the hard work he has put in to get to this point.. Plus WWE is hemoraging money right now. Brock will make more staying put..
In the cage, Brock is a bully. What happens when you stand up to bullies and flip the game on them? They retreat, and Brock has done that twice in a row. He's NOT prone to knock out, but he clearly HATES being hit. Some people just can't take punches to the face, which is most people but cage fighters have to be prepared for it and embrace it.
I'm sorry guys, but the whole Undertaker/WWE thing is weirding me out now that I've had time to think about it. Hearing Dana comment on it set off my tin-foil hat alarm so I think I'm just going to stay away from that angle and relish in Diego's possible return to LW.
WWE could work out a deal to let Brock show at wrestlemania. I think it was suppose to be a shoot with taker but after Brock got his ass kick he didn't feel like doing it so he walk right pass taker. That would explain why after that happen taker was kind of at a lost for words for the rest of the interview.
You know Cain really just stayed calm and weathered that storm. I just watched it again and 2 min in, Brock was winning the fight. He came out like a house of fire, and really tried to get to Cain early. Big punches and knees from Brock landed some glancing blows.. He got a great TD about 1 min in but Cain got up easily. Then it went to the fence as Brock held on to another double leg attempt, he got it eventually but Cain popped up like a cat. After that they had an exchange of punches that nobody really landed, then Cain shocked Brock with a TD of his own. Brock was down about 20 seconds didn't take much damage and was up.. What ended the fight was the next exchange.. Brock dropped levels for a TD and Cain hit him with a short left hook that stunned him, hence the fall and spinning. Brock was going forward hard as he got hit with the punch. So he was really off balance.. Then when Cain came in with that huge knee that was really all she wrote..
So i am not sure if it's so much "Brock is a bully and when you stand up to him he falls apart" or he came out really aggressive and got hit with some hard shots.. Brock didn't look to me like he wilted mentally, just that he missed on a TD attempt and got tagged hard.. We'll see who Brock fights next. He's still a beast..
lol lesnar
lol trout
lol db
lol mormons
Weak ing sauce, but no surprise coming from you.
Obviously, I was rooting for , but really, I hate more than almost anyone in the world, so I was pleased to see him get his cooter smashed. Mir is going to butt rape him this time around, and I can't wait.
While I'm here, I want to officially state that Jake Shields is my least favorite fighter of all time. That is all.
Look who's here
Yeah you were picking Brock too wise-guy..
That 3rd fight is likely
honestly i think if Brock had won against Cain, Mir might have a better chance, But Brock will be in pissed and looking to hurt somebody bad in his next fight. And how is Mir gonna win? Cain was a tough match-up for Brock because has good striking with great wrestling, is strong and has great cardio. Mir has never been known for his cardio and isn't strong enough to stop Brock from taking him down at will. In 2 fights Brock took Mir down whenever he wanted too.. Plus Brock now has the JJ to stay out of Mir's subs especially when in tight guard.. So Mir is gonna get killed again..
Yep, Mir will get wrecked again. He doesn't have good enough striking to deal with Lesnar. IMO, that's the key to beating Brock. If you can punch with power you can beat him.
Yeah you need punching power and TDD. Brock will keep working on his striking and likely close that gap in the next year or so. But as of now, that is how you get to him..
Cain kinda the same. He is unbeaten but i think you gotta hurt Cain with heavy shots and TDD also. So JDS could be an exciting fight with Cain.. If Cain gets bye him, he may reign for a while..
Cain couldn't have scripted that fight better than it happened. He was patient and weathered Brock's early storm and watched and waited for the opening. After the big knee, it was pretty much academic. Can't wait to see him fight JDS. Will JDS employ the same sort of strategy?
Whether it's Mir or Brock's next fight after the UFC should set up another event in Minnesota where Brock will get some love like he got at UFC 87.. It's nice playing the heel but man everyone was rooting for Cain last night in Anaheim. Let Brock get some love in his Hometown..
All credit to LakerHater in the gifs section..
UFC 121 Postmortem: Brocktober Ends with a Thud
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...h-a-Thud-27730
Brock Lesnar’s fame prior to entering the UFC brought him a considerable amount of money and opportunity. It also brought some unrealistic expectations for a man with only six professional fights to his name.
Lesnar, 4-1 since his 2008 UFC debut, looked uncomfortable from the outset against contender Cain Velasquez on Saturday, getting into desperate punching exchanges and eventually suffering damage to the point that referee Herb Dean stopped the bout. His sole trump card -- takedown to position to landing molar-rattling punches -- was canceled the minute Velasquez popped up within seconds of being grounded. Taking the fight as sole proof, Lesnar’s is a reputation in search of a complete skill set.
Inexperience isn’t the only explanation: Velasquez only had eight fights himself. But there’s a world of difference between hosting a camp catered exclusively to you (Lesnar) and having the in-and-out daily camaraderie of a high-level gym (like Velasquez’s AKA) offering constant emotional and physical support. Lesnar has insulated himself from the sport and most of the world in his Minnesota compound. Being a misanthrope may seem like a good base for a career that involves harming people, but not when it also requires team energy and direction.
There was tremendous crowd reaction to Velasquez, but whether that was directed at his win or at the sheer adrenaline dump of seeing someone of Lesnar’s proportions beaten down is an open issue. Maybe they were simply rabid at the sight of a sport fight turning into a fight-fight: Lesnar and Velasquez dug into each other like they were in a parking lot.
Lesnar will be fine; there are plenty of fighters that can’t stop his takedown in the division, and he’ll win more than he loses. Velasquez, who is every bit as good as his coaches say, is a poor standard to hold yourself to. He’ll make a great champion for the UFC.
Next for Velasquez: Junior dos Santos, and another serious test of his chin.
Next for Lesnar: Tuning up his striking with a slightly less mobile threat in Gabriel Gonzaga; continuing a rivalry with Frank Mir.
Next for Jake Shields: Doing more to prove he belongs in the cage with Georges St. Pierre.
Next for Matt Hamill: Stephan Bonnar.
New Questions: UFC 121
Does Shields deserve a le shot?
If he does, it won’t be because of what happened Saturday. Shields, who has spent virtually his entire career outside of the UFC, hasn’t lost in six years and has an impressive record against talented compe ion. But against Martin Kampmann, he looked sluggish from a reportedly tough weight cut and went from violent to just getting the job done inside of a round. Shields’s overall accomplishments probably warrant a meeting with Georges St. Pierre, but fans unfamiliar with that history will wonder what they’re missing.
Is Ortiz (above) expendable?Is o Ortiz expendable?
o Ortiz, 35 but probably a few years older in terms of ring wear, looked better than he had in years against Matt Hamill -- but it wasn’t enough to prevent Hamill from taking him down and landing grinding elbows en route to a decision. (In fight irony terms, that’s just a level below Gabriel Gonzaga’s high kick on Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic)
Ortiz hasn’t won since 2006, a stretch of time that becomes less tragic only when you consider his inactivity: he’s had only five fights in four years. He wasn’t mauled or stopped in any of them, but if the UFC is really about results, he’s seen enough.
Can Lesnar still draw?
There’s no question that a huge part of Lesnar’s appeal is the marriage between his ego and his will: when a guy boasts about going out and dominating, and then does exactly that, it’s impressive.
When he appears to be a genetic experiment and then loses 10 of the past 12 minutes he’s spent in the cage, audiences begin to see the strings.
Lesnar is not the type to enjoy being the nail, and if another fight ends in a loss, he will probably consider his MMA career concluded. But UFC fans have been coached to understand that when the best consistently fight one another, no one’s record is going to be perfect.
Will the heavyweight le continue to get germs?
Get this: in the same span of time that Anderson Silva won and has continued to retain his middleweight le, the heavyweight belt has changed hands three times -- more, if you count the confusing interim le scenario created by Randy Couture’s exit. If it’s the most prestigious le in combat sports, it’s because it’s one of the hardest to maintain a hold on.
Velasquez is undefeated and has proven skills across a variety of situations: he outwrestled the mammoth Lesnar, stood up to a very credible kickboxer in Cheick Kongo, and has a reputation for tireless output. While that makes him harder to beat, it doesn’t make him unbeatable. Dos Santos is arguably the better striker; Shane Carwin could down anyone on any given day with those ham fists; Alistair Overeem is hovering around as a scary (but largely unproven) threat. If Velasquez can put together any kind of run, it’ll be one of the bigger accomplishments in MMA.
Notes
• In a bizarre two-minute video clip Ariel Helwani shot for MMAFighting.com, WWE wrestler Mark Calloway (“the Undertaker”) was seen antagonizing Brock Lesnar as Lesnar walked past them following his second MMA loss. “You wanna do it?” Calloway said. (Lesnar just continued walking.) When wrestlers beef in locker rooms, it’s probably real. When they do it in front a conveniently-present camera, it’s a platter of crap. If Lesnar would like to return to pro wrestling, by all means, but please leave the bad acting to the Baldwins.
• Paulo Thiago and Diego Sanchez split $140,000 for Fight of the Night, a deserved bonus and a nice return to form for Sanchez, who looked bad in his last, a loss to John Hathaway. Velasquez got Knockout of the Night
• Brendan Schaub, who defeated Gabriel Gonzaga, volunteered himself for a match with Mir. Good fight, but Mir’s immediate future is probably a rematch with Lesnar, which makes sense only because both of them can talk casual fans into buying expensive tickets
• Dana White indicated Ortiz might be gone following his loss to Hamill, the fourth since 2006. If that happens, he’ll have a heck of a time getting his salary matched anywhere else.
So true. o is always a guy that portrays a lot of confidence in interviews but it has been forever since he won a fight. Nomatter how confident you act when you lose again and again, it's gotta make you not believe after a certain point.Gone are the days of Digging the Graves mid-octagon.
o actually got me back into MMA. I watched when i was a kid in the old Royce Gracie days but the sport fell apart after that and nobody was watching. The no rules, no time limits, no weight classes killed the sport. But when the Fer tas bought the company and changed everything it began to turn around.. When o was about to fight Ken Shamrock the first time, the sport got back on the map a bit and i was interested again. I was rooting for Ken that night but came out impressed with o, becoming a new fan of him and rejuvinated in MMA.. He just isn't relevant in MMA anymore.. I think o is a UFC hall of famer for sure but it is time to move on..
However if he is cut it might be Strikeforce for o
"It's not even close to the end of my career," said Ortiz. "The decision might be in Dana's hands, but I've gone through some surgeries that people don't come back. I feel great. Besides my face being a little sore, I feel fine. I have no more neck problems, no more back problems."
It's hard to say...it's not a given that he becomes a good striker. Brock could wind up being another Matt Hughes. Hughes worked hard on his boxing and bragged about the improvement but at the end of the day he still got superman punched between the eyes by GSP.
TBH, I think that Brock will improve his stand up but not enough to stay standing with any of the better strikers at HW. His size and strength will always be his bread and butter and as Hughes showed, that will only take you so far in today's UFC.
He's way more dangerous than Hughes though because Hughes has pillow hands. Brock doesn't. So if he improves just a little and can connect more often he'll be a lot better. Enough to make worry about the punch and then you shoot. Plus he must keep improving his ground game.. Which has shown to be good..
I think continuing to improve the ground game will mean more than the striking. That and patience. Patience is what won Cain that fight. Brock needs to learn that the thing that can truly make his power dangerous is letting the fight come to him and not getting overzealous.
Its kinda funny how one match will change what everyone thinks so drastically. Well, maybe for fans anyway but you gotta admire how the actual pros knew what was going to go down.
Brock's got physical tools that are going to over anyone not named Cain Velásquez. At this point I don't see a reason to doubt that he remains a of a force in the division.
Cain is the ing terminator. Brock losing to him doesn't suddenly make him the Matt Hughes of the division. that.
Anyone want to speculate about whats going on between the Undertaker and Brock? Watch at about the 45 second mark when Brock walks by the Undertaker.
It seems it was a work.. WWE wants Brock for a one time only Wrestlemania match. From what i have read Brock can't do that cause of his UFC deal..
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