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    Stop me if you've heard this one before.

    Smedley Darlington Butler (1881-1940) blew the whistle on the little- known plot of the le. He was on public television the fall of 1993 in "The Road to Rock Bottom"--Part 2 of The Great Depression series (Blackside production). Near the end it shows Butler in shirtsleeves, urging on 10,000 of the war veterans who had marched to Washington and camped in Anacostia DC. It was July 1932. The Bonus Army asked for early payment of moneys promised for 1945. "Some were the same men who had fought under Smedley Butler in the Spanish-American War, the Philippines campaign, the Boxer Rebellion, ...Caribbean interventions, the Chinese intervention of 1927-8, and World War I" (p 3).

    Butler, a major general at 48, retired from the Marine Corps in 1931. He had faced gunfire 120 times. Columnist Will Rogers wrote of Butler, "He is what I would call a natural born warrior. He will fight anybody, any time....He carries every medal we ever gave out. He has two Congressional Medals of Honor....You give him another war and he will get him another one....I do admire him" (p 116).

    Except the two years in China, Butler spent the last third of his service in police work and administration. During this time a disillusion with war spread through Europe and America. The mood fed on books like ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT and MERCHANTS OF DEATH.
    August 21, 1931, Butler spoke to an American Legion convention in New Britain CT. Looking back, he reflected on his career. His remarks stunned the audience. Few papers dared report even part of the speech:
    "I spent 33 years...being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer for capitalism....

    "I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1916. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City [Bank] boys to collect revenue in. I helped in the rape of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street....

    "In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested....I had...a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, promotions....I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate a racket in three cities. The Marines operated on three continents..." (p 118).
    Why would a cabal of capitalists--conspirators of enormous wealth-- approach such a man? Because they knew veterans revered him; he never ordered anything done he would not do himself. Grunts, noncoms, and combat officers believed Butler was their friend. Forty times, envoys of Wall Street tried to persuade him to lead a coup d'etat.

    The instigators wanted a putsch commander who could mobilize 500,000 soldiers overnight. These would make up a paramilitary force, to take form as the American Liberty League. Its pattern was a French veterans' group, the Croix de Feu. (The backers studied then rejected two other models of veterans' organization that fascists had used in taking power: Mussolini's blackshirts and Hitler's brownshirts.)

    The reason for the plot was the election of President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR), a member of the same ruling circles as the cabal itself. March 5, 1933--the day after his inauguration--FDR embargoed the export of gold and declared a national bank holiday. He told the "Hundred Days Congress" to enact a New Deal into law. In striving against the Depression, FDR awakened hope in the American people, but he appalled bankers and industrialists. Who would pay for this New Deal? The rich feared changes to the US system of finance, a rise in taxes, possibly even (Heaven forbid!) socialism.

    Rumours of the plot reached Washington, where the Committee on Un- American Activities (CUAA)--was already exposing fascist intrigues. Its cochairmen were John McCormack (D MA) and Samuel stein (D NY). CUAA got in touch with Smedley Butler: did the general have anything to tell them? After prying out all the plans he could, Butler asked a friend, an experienced newsman, to confirm the whole incredible scheme. The reporter visited twice with an agent of the conspirators (a wounded Marine vet) and set down his findings.

    Secret executive hearings of CUAA opened November 20, 1934. Sworn testimony showed that the plotters represented notable families --Rockefeller, Mellon, Pew, Pitcairn, Hutton; and great enterprises-- Morgan, Dupont, Remington, Anaconda, Bethlehem, Goodyear, GMC, Swift, Sun.... Some people named as plotters laughed, all denied everything.

    "The reader who wishes to examine the official testimony is referred to the government report, `Investigation of Nazi Propaganda Activities and Investigation of Certain Other Propaganda Activities: Public Hearings Before the Special Committee on Un-American Activities, House of Representatives, Seventy-third Congress, Second Session, at Washington, DC, December 29, 1934. Hearings No. 73-D.C.-6, Part 1.' Extracts of the censored testimony are revealed in the books A MAN IN HIS TIME, by John L. Spivak [NY: Horizon Press, 1967], and ONE THOUSAND AMERICANS, by George Seldes [NY: Boni & Gaer, 1947]" (p 140).
    George Bush's Granddad was in on it.

    In 1936, William Dodd, the U.S. Ambassador to Germany, wrote a letter to President Roosevelt in which he stated,
    "A clique of U.S. industrialists is -bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. I have had plenty of opportunity in my post in Berlin to witness how close some of our American ruling families are to the Nazi regime.... A prominent executive of one of the largest corporations, told me point blank that he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism into America if President Roosevelt continued his progressive policies. Certain American industrialists had a great deal to do with bringing fascist regimes into being in both Germany and Italy. They extended aid to help Fascism occupy the seat of power, and they are helping to keep it there. Propagandists for fascist groups try to dismiss the fascist scare. We should be aware of the symptoms. When industrialists ignore laws designed for social and economic progress they will seek recourse to a fascist state when the ins utions of our government compel them to comply with the provisions."
    The proven record of Prescott Bush's involvement in financing the Nazi war machine dovetails with the fact that he was part of a criminal cabal that actively sought to impose a fascist coup in America.
    Prescott did not succeed but many would argue that two generations down the line the mission has all but been accomplished.
    Wonder why this isn't taught in schools? Why wasnt this revealed prior to GHWB's run at public office? how can this stuff be buried so readily?

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    Do you really think the Bush family gives a which party they used to entertain voters? They have been trying to seize control since the 30's...and they did it. Why didnt such a criminal plot result in the ruination of this family? Does money really buy that sort of influence over the public opinion?

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    And what role does the media play in this? When you own/control the outlets of information to the public, is it really so easy to just sweep such a thing away?

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    I've heard this one before.

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    I've heard this one before.

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    I've heard this one before.
    I've heard this one before.
    That usually means there's a glitch in the matrix.

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    That usually means there's a glitch in the matrix.
    Stop me if you've heard this one before.

    If conspiracy theorists had a "golden oldies" station, it would be playing the article in the OP.

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    Did you just watch Zeitgeist for the first time or something?

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    Did you just watch Zeitgeist for the first time or something?
    That is what happens when people start going down the rabbit hole of conspiracy lore.

    I've seen it happen before.

    Each new "discovery" of some recycled conspiracy theory of yore becomes a thread, because they just have to tell people about it, much in the same way religious converts just have to share their new beliefs with others.

    Once you sink into the mire of paranoia, the human tendency towards confirmation bias and other cognitive biases takes over. Some eventually realize they are being fed bull , and get really pissed off, others sink into the swamp, never to be fully rational again.

    One or two are active schizophrenics in the clinical sense of the word, a bit like the guy I knew on another board who was CONVINCED the illuminati were communicating with each other through numbers news headlines. One of the headlines he cited was that of the number of points Tim Duncan scored in a game (22 if memory serves, the guy was hung up on that. 22 being a multiple of 11, and that having everythign to do with 9-11 of course)

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    Stop

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    Actually, the story is true. But the tie in with my previous posts about the Fed, and the most significant implication, is that Wall St. interests even then wanted control over the federal govt., and the Bush family was involved with those interests.

    So, lets tally up the score here:
    1. The story is a matter of Congressional record.... Wall St tried a coup.

    the plotters represented notable families --Rockefeller, Mellon, Pew, Pitcairn, Hutton; and great enterprises-- Morgan, Dupont, Remington, Anaconda, Bethlehem, Goodyear, GMC, Swift, Sun
    2. Bush family was involved in the coup attempt.

    3. Decades later we see the Bush family control everything from the CIA, the Vice Presidency, and the White House three times.

    4. Decades later, we see Wall St. has complete control of our elected officials, our economic policies, our tax policies, our livelihoods, etc, etc.

    These things are not in dispute. We discuss them here every day. Not as conspiracies, but as reality. Wall St influence over govt, the sins of the Bush family, the endless wars that make no sense, etc.

    And yet the interesting history behind those in control of our corrupt govt remains swept aside, to be buried in the sands of time. And because this link in the chain of history does not fit the narrative that is sold to us by MSM, you all cannot accept its value, even when slapped across the face with the significance.

    Simply because that acknowledgement would mean that the story you have pulled together thus far was a failed effort. And ego stands in the way of accepting any truth but your own.

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    Did you just watch Zeitgeist for the first time or something?
    never seen it. Is it any good?

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    That is what happens when people start going down the rabbit hole of conspiracy lore.

    I've seen it happen before.

    Each new "discovery" of some recycled conspiracy theory of yore becomes a thread, because they just have to tell people about it, much in the same way religious converts just have to share their new beliefs with others.

    Once you sink into the mire of paranoia, the human tendency towards confirmation bias and other cognitive biases takes over. Some eventually realize they are being fed bull , and get really pissed off, others sink into the swamp, never to be fully rational again.

    One or two are active schizophrenics in the clinical sense of the word, a bit like the guy I knew on another board who was CONVINCED the illuminati were communicating with each other through numbers news headlines. One of the headlines he cited was that of the number of points Tim Duncan scored in a game (22 if memory serves, the guy was hung up on that. 22 being a multiple of 11, and that having everythign to do with 9-11 of course)
    Whats wrong, RG...cant touch the substance of the OP? So you choose to mindlessly dismiss it?

    I mean, if its so ridiculous, surely you could easily dismantle the assertion and leave me with a bloody nose for my troubles...right?

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    And ego stands in the way of accepting any truth but your own.
    You should repeat this to yourself slowly and clearly several times.

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    never seen it. Is it any good?
    Google it. Its basically a mock-umentary that you parrot without knowing it, apparently.

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    You should repeat this to yourself slowly and clearly several times.
    Failed personal attack, Chump. I'm not afraid to say that this event, as reflected in the Congressional Record, is new to me and worth considering. For the lot of you, ego will not allow you to touch it. What else is there to discuss?

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    Google it. Its basically a mock-umentary that you parrot without knowing it, apparently.
    I had known for a while about the ties between the Bush family and the Wall St finance of the Nazi party. I looked into it a bit further. This one was new to me.

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    Actually, the story is true. But the tie in with my previous posts about the Fed, and the most significant implication, is that Wall St. interests even then wanted control over the federal govt., and the Bush family was involved with those interests.

    So, lets tally up the score here:
    1. The story is a matter of Congressional record.... Wall St tried a coup.

    2. Bush family was involved in the coup attempt.

    3. Decades later we see the Bush family control everything from the CIA, the Vice Presidency, and the White House three times.

    4. Decades later, we see Wall St. has complete control of our elected officials, our economic policies, our tax policies, our livelihoods, etc, etc.
    When you guys can "debunk" this thread, give me a shout out.

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    Failed personal attack, Chump.
    As was yours, hypocrite.
    I'm not afraid to say that this event, as reflected in the Congressional Record, is new to me and worth considering. For the lot of you, ego will not allow you to touch it. What else is there to discuss?
    You told us to stop you if we had heard this one before.

    We told you we had heard this before.

    You failed to stop.

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    When you guys can "debunk" this thread, give me a shout out.
    What does the Bush family control now?

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    What does the Bush family control now?

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    you got me.

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    how was i so dumb to think the Bush family is devoid of power and influence these days.

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    how was i so dumb to think the Bush family is devoid of power and influence these days.
    Just tell us what they control today.

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    Actually, the story is true. But the tie in with my previous posts about the Fed, and the most significant implication, is that Wall St. interests even then wanted control over the federal govt., and the Bush family was involved with those interests.

    So, lets tally up the score here:
    1. The story is a matter of Congressional record.... Wall St tried a coup.

    2. Bush family was involved in the coup attempt.

    3. Decades later we see the Bush family control everything from the CIA, the Vice Presidency, and the White House three times.

    4. Decades later, we see Wall St. has complete control of our elected officials, our economic policies, our tax policies, our livelihoods, etc, etc.

    When you guys can "debunk" this thread, give me a shout out.

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    Just tell us what they control today.
    Im sure they have oil holdings and controlling shares here and there. But as you and I know, ownership of financial assets by political figures of this stature never can be completely traced.

    So I guess we both know the assertion fails miserably.

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