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Experience and knowing Pop's schemes is worth a little something too, I would hope.
what else do you think he has in his game that he hasn't shown us already
Experience and knowing Pop's schemes is worth a little something too, I would hope.
okay, well if your factoring in the financial aspect, that's something you didn't mention to begin with.
besdies, there isn't a lack of players in the league that have better contracts than him.
That..he hasn't shown us?
I don't think anybody is arguing that Bonner has some hidden set of skills that have yet to be seen.
Why do you think potential means a player must grow out and do what he currently cannot?
By potential, I meant live up TO his potential. Including in the playoffs. By most counts, he hasn't yet.
You had me Zosa, right up to about that point. In the words of John McEnroe, "you cannot be serious."
okay, well now your throwing into the argument that you made no mention of initially. might want to set the perameters of you argument at first.
Perhaps I was too general, I can concede that. Perhaps I very much am overrating him.You had me Zosa, right up to about that point. In the words of John McEnroe, "you cannot be serious."
But I do think his shooting and skillset distinguishes him as a very good bench big to have.
Everyone happy now?
those guys are bench players too. roles change due to injuries and other things. last year, Bonner was in and out of the lineup. same thing is going on with those guys.
It was a general statement, and I was kinda in the fire of posting, y'know?
So no, maybe he can't be "one of the best bench bigs" by most definitions. And I won't argue it. But I still think his contract, and his skillset, and his willingness to work hard and not feel slighted out of more minutes or a bigger role, is worth a lot.
yeah, because that's what he is. he's a nice player to have come off the bench. when you need three's and someone to spread the floor, he's the guy.Perhaps I was too general, I can concede that. Perhaps I very much am overrating him.
But I do think his shooting and skillset distinguishes him as a very good bench big to have.
Everyone happy now?
I can't argue any of that.Perhaps I was too general, I can concede that. Perhaps I very much am overrating him.
But I do think his shooting and skillset distinguishes him as a very good bench big to have.
Everyone happy now?
But you did make me laugh.
imagine if he could run a solid fast break lol
sometimes I can't help my own exaggerations when it comes to defending BonnerI can't argue any of that.
But you did make me laugh.
what players do you expect to get with a decade of consecutive 50 win season in a small market?
Assuming Tiago can stay healthy.
Bonner's absence DOES have an affect in Tiago's PT (even if they play different roles). As TD or Blair ( who both play Center and PF) would play additional minutes at the four spot to make up for Bonners loss and as a result additional minutes are freed-up at the center spot for Tiago to take.
So yes there definetly is a domino affect in our bigs PT rotation with the absence of any of our bigs.
Seriously in the minutes he got in preseason and vs Pacers he played well and showed improvement on skills from last yr on the whole.
This is only a negative for the team, Tiago's development into the system shouldn't be affected whatsoever, he can't shoot 3's and has no NBA experience. How is this a gain for Tiago, I would say gain for Simmons and Dice much more.
Did Bonner roll his ankle on another Spur player? Or did he roll it on his own?
Monroe said he landed on Hill's foot and rolled the ankle.
My Take on Bonner:
Good:
He's got a decent enough shot, especially from 3 range.
He doesn't make stupid turn-overs, (a problem with alot of bench bigs)
When he's on the floor limited minutes he generally plays hard..
He's generally in his assigned position on the floor.
He knows the team and plays fairly intelligently with that knowledge
Bad,
He's borderline physically incapable of playing his position with his speed. This is the main bad
He is assigned to be a catch and shoot long range shooter on offense taking him out of position for offensive boards (mixed blessing he'd be late getting back alot if he was fighting for rebounds)
Because of his slow foot speed, lack of physique, and any sort of timing other post players push him around when he's trying to defend them and guards go around him. Equaling a lack of defensive respect.
He can be mentally taken out of his game and role
Summary he's a situational big in a bad position the last few years. If he is going to be assigned to play large numbers of minutes it should be guarding the other teams least effective offensive big or if their small forward is a spot up shooter only, the small forward. With a dearth of mobile power forwards and centers in the spurs rotation Bonner was asked to play alot of more demanding defensive match-ups than he should have been as well as get more minutes to make up for some other offensive shortcomings.
Duncan does not need a vaccuum of spacing to operate in post dishing to the opposite side for a finish dunk or lay in is always good and effective. The twin towers don't work if duncan needs huge floor space. Its also not like Avery had any type of outside shot so he was a drive player as well much like ton. Is it nice to have a big man who is reasonable as a player come in for 10 or so minutes per game and make the other teams center or power forward chase him around the 3 point line? You bet. Is it required or should it be done for 20+ minutes per night? no and a resounding no unless its being done by a dirk calibre player not a bonner one. Though I argue once again that the main difference between the two is all speed
Yeah, Bonner sucks.
The sad thing about it is that I don't think Splitter would get minutes if Bonner didn't get hurt. It reminds me of '03 when Steve Smith was in the lineup for the first game of the season and then got hurt thus giving Jax the chance to be a starter. To me that was probably the most important injury the spurs had that year without Smith getting hurt then there is no way Jax starts. I have problem with Pop that he never lets go of his favorites even when they suck ala Finley,Smith, and now Bonner. Some people say his role is only to play 10-15 minutes unfortunately with Pop there will always be the temptation to overplay him and thats exactly what will happen until the day he is officially gone.
Another thing I hate about the Bonner supporters is how they hype of his good games. If you take look all of his good games are usually against crappy teams. This guy historically melts when he plays superior compe ion he pretty much puts up 2 points, and 2 rebounds in those situations which is pretty ty. He has been crap the last 2 years in the playoffs thats good enough indication that he just doesn't have it. Also don't use those two games against the suns because he didn't do in those games until the spurs were down by good margins where the game wasn't really in reach thus he played better knowing there wasn't any pressure to win these games. He is what I call the anti-Horry.
Really? Why not? Splitter and Bonner aren't interchangeable in the slightest. They are completely different types of players.
Splitter is going to vie for minutes partially from Bonner, but also partially from Blair and Dyess as well. Obviously the plan is to have Splitter take pressure off Duncan in the long run if he proves his worth. That's where his minutes are coming from.
Bonner doesn't need to be injured for Splitter to get minutes, he was going to get them anyway. He's not primarily competing with Bonner for minutes because they bring entirely different skills to the table.
get well soon matty stop hatin on the dude
its all on POP again as always hes the one whos gonna give tiago playing time period ! has nothing to do with bonner ..
THEO ratliff got more playing time with the bobcats last season and is getting more playing time with the lakes this season than he wud have ever gotten under POP its all POP's call at the end of the day ...that being said still hoping that POP uses TIAGO and not make him a ing display on the bench
yeah and there are a lot of stupid idiots who defend matt bonner cause they want to look cool and different. they think their smart by taking the minority opinion even if its wrong. where were you fake stupid bonner defenders when we got knocked out of playoffs for the last 2 seasons
and your also forgetting about antonio mcdyess. bonners loss is also antonio mcdyess gain. all the hoopla about tiago, who hasnt played 1 single game yet, yet we still have antonio mcdyess, a proven leader, who had a terrific game in the opener, hitting the same type of kick out jumpers that bonner hits AND rebounds and plays defense and ya'll are forgetting about him
bonner lovers, get over yourselves, your not smart
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