Dallas vs Memphis

[dirk4mvp]

too late now Dirk is almost done with his game

that's pretty far off.

[Giuseppe]

No, dirk, that's the goods/precise style. And you know it.

[Jeff Van Gundy]

I've said this many times, there will be a time where Dallas needs to change their defensive system. Their backcourt are getting old and have a difficult time defending in the 4th quarter. The had a substantial lead until they broke down. Get Dirk another defensive stopper to replace Jason Terry like an Iguodala or Ronnie Brewer and this team won't have a hard time finishing games.

[Killakobe81]

everybody blames Dirk for the finals but Stackhouse and Terry were the big chokers IMHO ...

But dirk is the star so he gets the glory and the blame ...no excuses.

[Venti Quattro]

I've said this many times, there will be a time where Dallas needs to change their defensive system. Their backcourt are getting old and have a difficult time defending in the 4th quarter. The had a substantial lead until they broke down. Get Dirk another defensive stopper to replace Jason Terry like an Iguodala or Ronnie Brewer and this team won't have a hard time finishing games.

What's your take on the new officiating rules?

[dirk4mvp]

No, dirk, that's the goods/precise style. And you know it.

that's like you saying you brought the goods against the Viets.

[Giuseppe]

Dirk, schmirk.

[midnightpulp]

Dirk, schmirk.

Look at you wading in from the shore now that the sharks have swam off.

[sribb43]

Without Zbo

Mavs...I expect more games like this to follow. It's gonna be a tough season and watching mavs games will be like pulling teeth. A bunch of Dirk iso's and nothing else bc the rest of the team is trash offensively

[21_Blessings]

If Dallas had some Iggy, Gay wouldn't have skull ed them at the end there.

[Rummpd]

Last year Dallas won a ton of close games and Hollinger used that for the reason he believes they will not win 50 games this year. IMO they win 50 but not many more - they are simply over-rated.

Per Hollinger = the Mavs Outlook

Dallas' greatest skill last season wasn't offense or defense, actually -- it was pulling rabbits out of hats at the end of games. The Mavs went 18-7 in games decided by five points or less after going 18-5 in such games a year earlier; in fact, since 2004-05 the Mavs are 93-44 in these games.



The outlook for Dallas this season depends in part on whether one considers that luck or skill. On one hand, 93-44 is a pretty impressive mark -- if these games were truly random, we'd expect this to happen only one time in 50,000. That makes it difficult to ascribe to random chance. .....

The biggest question in projecting the Mavs is how they'll use the roster. I project each team based on the idea that they'll play their best-rated players the most (provided those players are healthy), but in Dallas' case I feel less assured than in some others. I rated them with Beaubois playing nearly 2,000 minutes after returning from injury, which would require the Mavs to use Butler exclusively as a backup small forward and to reduce Terry's minutes. I'm not sure they're ready to do this, but if Beaubois plays as well as he did a year ago, I don't think they'll have a choice.



The projection for Beaubois is perhaps too optimistic; on the other hand, Kidd's looks far too negative. On balance, it evens out. The other factor to consider is the magic beans the Mavs have been using to spirit close games into the win column in recent seasons. I remain a non-believer, but if you want to give Dallas extra credit for this you should add about three wins to the total below.



The other factor to consider is the Mavs' willingness to spend along the way. If a deal crops up, they'll make it, even if it costs them even more in luxury tax. Considering they have $27 million in expiring contracts with Butler, Chandler and Stevenson, they'll probably do something between now and the trade deadline.



At the end of it all, however, it looks like more of the same. The Mavs are probably still another year or two away from their age catching up to them. In the meantime, they'll be the same middle-of-the-pack Western Conference playoff team they've been throughout the Carlisle era.


Prediction: 48-34, 2nd in Southwest Division, 5th in Western Conference

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/train...ksForecast1011

[Phillip]

Last year Dallas won a ton of close games and Hollinger used that for the reason he believes they will not win 50 games this year. IMO they win 50 but not many more - they are simply over-rated.

Per Hollinger = the Mavs Outlook

Dallas' greatest skill last season wasn't offense or defense, actually -- it was pulling rabbits out of hats at the end of games. The Mavs went 18-7 in games decided by five points or less after going 18-5 in such games a year earlier; in fact, since 2004-05 the Mavs are 93-44 in these games.



The outlook for Dallas this season depends in part on whether one considers that luck or skill. On one hand, 93-44 is a pretty impressive mark -- if these games were truly random, we'd expect this to happen only one time in 50,000. That makes it difficult to ascribe to random chance. .....

The biggest question in projecting the Mavs is how they'll use the roster. I project each team based on the idea that they'll play their best-rated players the most (provided those players are healthy), but in Dallas' case I feel less assured than in some others. I rated them with Beaubois playing nearly 2,000 minutes after returning from injury, which would require the Mavs to use Butler exclusively as a backup small forward and to reduce Terry's minutes. I'm not sure they're ready to do this, but if Beaubois plays as well as he did a year ago, I don't think they'll have a choice.



The projection for Beaubois is perhaps too optimistic; on the other hand, Kidd's looks far too negative. On balance, it evens out. The other factor to consider is the magic beans the Mavs have been using to spirit close games into the win column in recent seasons. I remain a non-believer, but if you want to give Dallas extra credit for this you should add about three wins to the total below.



The other factor to consider is the Mavs' willingness to spend along the way. If a deal crops up, they'll make it, even if it costs them even more in luxury tax. Considering they have $27 million in expiring contracts with Butler, Chandler and Stevenson, they'll probably do something between now and the trade deadline.



At the end of it all, however, it looks like more of the same. The Mavs are probably still another year or two away from their age catching up to them. In the meantime, they'll be the same middle-of-the-pack Western Conference playoff team they've been throughout the Carlisle era.


Prediction: 48-34, 2nd in Southwest Division, 5th in Western Conference

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/train...ksForecast1011

How can you sit here and whine about them being overrated, when you are actually rating them higher than Hollinger has them rated? ing moron.

[Ashy Larry]

everybody blames Dirk for the finals but Stackhouse and Terry were the big chokers IMHO ...

But dirk is the star so he gets the glory and the blame ...no excuses.

I blame Dirk. He shouldn't have fouled Wade with that unseen hit that send him to the line late.

[mavsfan1000]

Dallas has one of the worst backcourts in the league. Gotta do something about that. Butler, Dirk, and Chandler is fine but Terry, Kidd, and Barea aren't.

[BUMP]

holy you burrito stuffing fat s actually made a thread about this loss?

Anybody watching this game knew that Dallas didn't care while Memphis treated this like game 7 of the NBA Finals. After every made shot their bench erupted, OJ Mayo was trying to fire up his teammates after every time out, and once the game ended their bench stormed the court while Terry just kinda chuckled at the end.

Funny how when the Mavs get an impressive reg. season win it's "lol Mavs regular season champions" but when they practically don't care and let a terrible team beat them for fun it's "lol Mavs already choking"

[heatluva]

Dallas has one of the worst backcourts in the league. Gotta do something about that. Butler, Dirk, and Chandler is fine but Terry, Kidd, and Barea aren't.

roddy and jones should get time over all of those but Kidd. not only do you have to develop your young guys to stay compe ive in the future, i think they're flat out better than those guys in the PRESENT.

[BUMP]

Last year Dallas won a ton of close games and Hollinger used that for the reason he believes they will not win 50 games this year. IMO they win 50 but not many more - they are simply over-rated.

Per Hollinger = the Mavs Outlook

Dallas' greatest skill last season wasn't offense or defense, actually -- it was pulling rabbits out of hats at the end of games. The Mavs went 18-7 in games decided by five points or less after going 18-5 in such games a year earlier; in fact, since 2004-05 the Mavs are 93-44 in these games.



The outlook for Dallas this season depends in part on whether one considers that luck or skill. On one hand, 93-44 is a pretty impressive mark -- if these games were truly random, we'd expect this to happen only one time in 50,000. That makes it difficult to ascribe to random chance. .....

The biggest question in projecting the Mavs is how they'll use the roster. I project each team based on the idea that they'll play their best-rated players the most (provided those players are healthy), but in Dallas' case I feel less assured than in some others. I rated them with Beaubois playing nearly 2,000 minutes after returning from injury, which would require the Mavs to use Butler exclusively as a backup small forward and to reduce Terry's minutes. I'm not sure they're ready to do this, but if Beaubois plays as well as he did a year ago, I don't think they'll have a choice.



The projection for Beaubois is perhaps too optimistic; on the other hand, Kidd's looks far too negative. On balance, it evens out. The other factor to consider is the magic beans the Mavs have been using to spirit close games into the win column in recent seasons. I remain a non-believer, but if you want to give Dallas extra credit for this you should add about three wins to the total below.



The other factor to consider is the Mavs' willingness to spend along the way. If a deal crops up, they'll make it, even if it costs them even more in luxury tax. Considering they have $27 million in expiring contracts with Butler, Chandler and Stevenson, they'll probably do something between now and the trade deadline.



At the end of it all, however, it looks like more of the same. The Mavs are probably still another year or two away from their age catching up to them. In the meantime, they'll be the same middle-of-the-pack Western Conference playoff team they've been throughout the Carlisle era.


Prediction: 48-34, 2nd in Southwest Division, 5th in Western Conference

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/train...ksForecast1011

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[Ashy Larry]

Mavs gotta figure it out. It's early but these are the games they gotta bank especially when at home.

[RoddyBukkake]

I don't understand how Cuban has floor seats to every game yet is still on this team

[badfish22]

tbh French Jesus is still out so these games show nothing of how good the Mavs can be. The less this team relies on Terry the better.

[ElNono]

holy you made a thread about this loss?

This thread was made at the start of the 4th quarter, before the game was actually decided...

[Ghazi]

Beaubois will help... but we need a trade if there's any out there.

Terry/trash for Iggy/Nocioni... I'd like that. Terry "should be" redundant on this roster if Beaubois lives up to expectations.

[La Mont]

Beaubois will help... but we need a trade if there's any out there.

Terry/trash for Iggy/Nocioni... I'd like that. Terry "should be" redundant on this roster if Beaubois lives up to expectations.

make such a trade and you will have more than half a team of players playing SF. a five-SF lineup would look sexy though.

[mavsfan1000]

True. We need a shooting guard and a point guard. Not likely to happen. We keep getting SF's that struggle at SG and that is not what we need.

[Giuseppe]

WTF have you been, turdhound?