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    if the last ten years has shown anything, it's that you need to have perimiter defense to win a chmapionship. Spurs aren't getting further than the 3rd round if they can't trade for someone that shores up their perimiter defense (or one of George Hill or Anderson step it up big time in that respect, which i think is unlikely), which is not at contender status at this point.

    i think your absolutely right! the more i see raja bell in utah tearing ppl a new asshole the more i cringe. pop should have aggresively pursued him+ offerd good money and let bonner go. i mean that would have been a difference maker and a much bigger priority than resigning that ymca baller

    i mean once splitter comes in hes going to improve our defense quite a bit but if we had that lock down defender we would balance out really well as a team

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    Props to Parker. Just makes me love that guy all the more.

    Spurs fans are soooo spoiled it's comical.

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    Market value is what you can get from desperate teams. NYKs would have paid him the MAX amount and the MAX years they could, no questions.
    instead of signing Melo? yeah sure.
    Knicks either trade for Melo during the season (and re sign him, so they don't have the cap room for Tony), or they wait for him to become a FA 2011. they might be able to free cap space for a max contract 2011. not for two.

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    I am so happy that the Spurs believed in Tony and in their future enough to re-sign him!!! That was my biggest concern - that the franchise wanted to protect Parker from free agency and truly valued TP as a future kingpin. He's the youngest of the Big 3 and he's the best scoring point guard the Spurs have ever had. Even better than Captain Late.

    Hat's off to the Spurs and congratulations to Tony. With all the talk of 33% cuts and contraction, it's good that TP went with what was behind Door # 1.

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    Awesome news wether it be for our franchise or for Parker.
    Now he won't feel like he has to prove something through stats and focus on playing good team ball.

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    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157434

    This is the article and thread that caused so much heartburn, doubt, discussion and misunderstanding.

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    I just wonder why other teams did not use this fear to drive down the price for Gay, JJ, .....They all cashed in above their perceived market value.

    I guess the fact there were so many teams with cap space forced teams to overpay even though they had leverage.

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    Hopefully, the big 3 will retire as Spurs, same as David Robinson. Too bad Gervin couldn't do the same.

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    I just wonder why other teams did not use this fear to drive down the price for Gay, JJ, .....They all cashed in above their perceived market value.

    I guess the fact there were so many teams with cap space forced teams to overpay even though they had leverage.
    Also a testament to how damn well run the FO is when it comes to the books.

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    But but RJ's new deal meant no Parker!
    Remember, the Spurs don't need Parker when they have Hill. Never mind that Hill is a combo guard (more of a two than a one) and Pop is obsessed with managing minutes, they can't possibly need or find time for three quality guards. Two is more than enough.

    I was pleasantly surprised, as I'm sure everyone was, to see this today. It really came out of the blue. If he approximates the form he showed a year and a half ago (statistically he won't, because this team has much more firepower than that team), then this is a steal.

    I figured he wanted to stay when he repeatedly said as much (I'm intuitive like that). Players who don't want to stay avoid, dodge or answer indirectly to that question. Parker never did any of that. He answered it head on every time, never wavering and never hesitating. I do, however, think that he would have wanted to go to the Knicks had he not been able to re-sign with the Spurs. That was the part that was left out of all of those rumors...only the most important part.

    I'm surprised he took less than Ginobili (not saying he's better; he's not). Parker is younger, plays more minutes, has made more for years and figures to, if not necessarily overtake Ginobili as a player over the life of their respective deals, at least bear more of a burden, both offensively and minutes played-wise.

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    Remember, the Spurs don't need Parker when they have Hill. Never mind that Hill is a combo guard (more of a two than a one), Pop is obsessed with managing and limiting minutes, they can't possibly need or find time for three good guards. Two is more than enough.

    I was pleasantly surprised, as I'm sure everyone was, to see this today. It really came out of the blue. If he approximates the form he showed a year and a half ago (statistically he won't, because this team has much more firepower than that team), then this is a steal.

    I figured he wanted to stay when he repeatedly said as much (I'm intuitive like that). Players who don't want to stay avoid, dodge or answer indirectly to that question. Parker never did any of that. He answered it head on every time, never wavering and never hesitating. I do, however, think that he would have wanted to go to the Knicks had he not been able to re-sign with the Spurs. That was the part that was left out of all of those rumors...only the most important part.

    I'm surprised he took less than Ginobili (not saying he's better; he's not). Parker is younger, plays more minutes, has made more for years and figures to, if not necessarily overtake Ginobili as a player over the life of their respective deals, at least bear more of a burden, both offensively and minutes played-wise.

    remind me why you think spurs do not need tp when they have hill

    HILL is not the solution to be a full time point guard

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    Great news.

    Boy, doesn't Jalen Rose look more like that damn fool that he already was?

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    melo of the nuggets I bet well sign an extension or gets traded
    tp signed because of the lockout possiblity so will melo


    melo signs the extention he actually would be easier to trade

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    I just wonder why other teams did not use this fear to drive down the price for Gay, JJ, .....They all cashed in above their perceived market value.

    I guess the fact there were so many teams with cap space forced teams to overpay even though they had leverage.
    Maybe money really is not the end-all/be-all for Tony (or Manu, for that matter)...I kind of remember Tony's last contract also being lower than what he probably could have gotten...

    Playing with Duncan (in his last years) and Manu probably meant a lot...and it looks like the Spurs will largely build around Tony as they transition out of Duncan/Manu years...

    It's also interesting how low-key/non-existent Spurs' free agent "drama" has been given all the other free agent/trade "drama" that's been going around in the league...

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    Maybe money really is not the end-all/be-all for Tony (or Manu, for that matter)...I kind of remember Tony's last contract also being lower than what he probably could have gotten...

    Playing with Duncan (in his last years) and Manu probably meant a lot...and it looks like the Spurs will largely build around Tony as they transition out of Duncan/Manu years...
    Even so, Spurs always seem to get the hometown discount in a league where that rarely happens.

    I suspect that the pool of teams with cap space shrunk compared to this off season, so it gave the Spurs even more leverage.

    Compared to a max offer though, it is extremely low.

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    There's nothing not to love in this contract, and I can totally understand why TP did it (actually I was saying this all summer in the parker-haters threads). As everybody else I'm a bit surprised by the $50m figure, but I think that what TP really wanted was recognition: one way to get that was through a max contract, another one (and the most important point in the interview imo) is to be a franchise player, even though he won't be making franchise money. But he said the Spurs wanted to build around him in the future, and I'm sure that's all the commitment TP wanted.

    As a Spurs fan I'm just really happy that the Big 3 will be Spurs for their whole career, it's just an incredible page of the Spurs history and legacy that is being written today. We keep chatting about these players and criticizing or praising them, but in the grand scheme of things the big 3 are Spurs legends. It's really cool to be part of this, even if only as a fan. But what more can a fan ask?

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    Damn, I am so pumped for tonight's game. I hope TP just destroys N.O.

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    Even so, Spurs always seem to get the hometown discount in a league where that rarely happens.

    I suspect that the pool of teams with cap space shrunk compared to this off season, so it gave the Spurs even more leverage.

    Compared to a max offer though, it is extremely low.
    Yep. Very low. No idea how the FO does it, but I'm glad they do. And glad that the Spurs have players who are reasonable about these things (I mean, how many millions do you really need, anyways?). Takes 2 to tango, after all.

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    I just wonder why other teams did not use this fear to drive down the price for Gay, JJ, .....They all cashed in above their perceived market value.

    I guess the fact there were so many teams with cap space forced teams to overpay even though they had leverage.

    They have more things to "fear" about than those players!

    I think that it's because they are not attractive enough for free agents who want to win.
    So they panic at the idea at loosing the only "good" players they have...

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    I just wonder why other teams did not use this fear to drive down the price for Gay, JJ, .....They all cashed in above their perceived market value.

    I guess the fact there were so many teams with cap space forced teams to overpay even though they had leverage.
    Asked and answered. Those players weren't facing the new CBA, they were facing the Summer of LeBron, when every stupid team saved cap room for the Arrogant One. I think there were 12-13 MAX slots saved by various teams. Those spurned suitors would have paid anything to any player, which is why MEM and ATL ponied up.

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    So now I'm crying? I'm actually pretty damn happy that this TP issue is behind us now and I'm ecstatic Tim, Tony and Manu will all retire as a Spur.

    Keep making false accusations about what you think I say to try to make me look stupid, it really is entertaining.

    Scoreboard s? Me making dumbass comments when I'm not even quoting anyone? Yet you quote me saying something I never said?

    Too funny.

    I make one comment about RJ's contract not having an effect on Tony's contract and you blow up being beyond butthurt like you always are towards me for whatever reason.

    Grow up dude.

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    So now I'm crying? I'm actually pretty damn happy that this TP issue is behind us now and I'm ecstatic Tim, Tony and Manu will all retire as a Spur.

    Keep making false accusations about what you think I say to try to make me look stupid, it really is entertaining.

    Scoreboard s? Me making dumbass comments when I'm not even quoting anyone? Yet you quote me saying something I never said?

    Too funny.

    I make one comment about RJ's contract not having an effect on Tony's contract and you blow up being beyond butthurt like you always are towards me for whatever reason.

    Grow up dude.
    says the guy who can't let it go...

    DPG is a meanie to me

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    remind me why you think spurs do not need tp when they have hill

    HILL is not the solution to be a full time point guard
    Granted, sarcasm can sometimes be difficult to detect in print, but in this case, I think it was obvious.

    MaNu4Tres was mocking those who claimed Parker couldn't or wouldn't be re-signed and I added on to that by adding other things that were said throughout the process.

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    says the guy who can't let it go...

    DPG is a meanie to me
    I could really care less.

    I'm just not going to sit back and let someone quote something I never said.

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    The best thing is that the Spurs didn't have to overpay and Parker has contract in line with being one of the top players at his position. It works for both sides.

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