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I tried but master and some old man from Phoenix gave me the chloroform rag when I wasn't expecting it. I hate that thing
Hi, Lakaluva's camel.
I cannot believe he let that soldier do that you. I hope you denied him access to your hump for a long, long time.
I tried but master and some old man from Phoenix gave me the chloroform rag when I wasn't expecting it. I hate that thing
Poor thing. Someone should call animal rights.
I tried but master and some old man from Phoenix gave me the chloroform rag when I wasn't expecting it. I hate that thing
I'm just hoping the Celtics don't win the le this year. Master always plows harder when they lose
Hope the best for you, buddy.I'm just hoping the Celtics don't win the le this year. Master always plows harder when they lose
Koolaid, thanks for your reply, I'll answer tomorrow, too tired now.
Manu Ginobili > Tim Duncan because he has more global appeal!
Were you born this stupid, or did pops take a 2x4 to your head at some point when you were growing up?
you have pretty ty reasoning skills but I will help you out...we're talking bout Duncan and Russell here and the overall impact of Timmy's contribution that would encourage some to put him in the top 10 all-time. You can bring Manu in if you like but then you devalue Duncan as the clear cut #1 option in the Spurs offense...so Mr. Midget or in this case mental midget...which do you choose...
I won't lean on you too much seeing as you can't really hold your own against me and I won't align you with D..of all trolls just yet..seeing how I can perceive you looking for a friend or someone to bail or help you out against the Laker fan Midget massacre...
I would have thought you'd look to your fellow rabbid Spur fanbase for support but since they can't debate or reason very well....I see you trying to ride your Daddy_of_all Trolls coat tails...
I really expected more from you Midget...this is a new era for midgets..the 21at century...we have a black president whose name is Hussein for crying out loud....Midget's have made all kinds of progresses too...be your own short man...
AIDS, you stated in the following poorly worded, logically incoherent quote that two of the reasons Tim Duncan should be denied top 10 all-time great status is because he "failed to add fans to the bottom line," and that "he's not a global icon."
Manu Ginobili has done the former and is the latter, so following your logic, which only a re would find sound, Manu Ginobili should be considered a greater player than Tim Duncan? Further strengthening Manu's argument is that his game is relatively "innovative," compared to Tim Duncan's clockwork fundamental game.I'm ok with devaluing Russell's rings...but to make the case that Russell is not top 10 and Duncan is or even top 5 is laughable... Tim Duncan may be top 15 -20 nothing more nothing less...You do have to look at the complete package...including player impact from a global perspective...Despite his les Timmy has not added to the game's innovation and revolution. He's not added fans to the bottom line across the broader spectrum. He's liked by the media because he has a house z mentality he's a maid servant so to speak and they eat that up..He's not a global icon nor revolutionary...
Allen Iverson was also a far more popular player than Tim Duncan, his merchandise one of the top sellers of the decade. He also had "global appeal." Because Iverson was a marketing phenomenon, should he be considered the greater player, or at the very least, have a greater status than a player like John Stockton?
Look, when you're comparing players, or attempting to determine where they belong among the all-time greats, you go by what they did on the court. As much as you would like to believe, extra points aren't awarded for aesthetics, nor are championships won with marketing impact.
AIDS, I suggest you keep to the things you know best, like sucking Kobe's and dissing Lebron with stupid youtube videos, and stay on the sidelines when the adults are talking basketball.
Last edited by midnightpulp; 11-01-2010 at 08:31 AM.
Midget, gettin' his morning hard-on.
Just wrecking AIDS like I always do. Nothing more, nothing less.
I think he got yer goat & yer too prideful to own up.
My team sucks, but it's nice to see there's still someone else to put the overinflated lakers in their place.
Got my goat, how exactly?
With a re ed argument that didn't make one bit of logical sense?
Oh, I get you why you like Koolaid_Man so much. He baits the little ones for ya.
A topic that has been discussed on this board but mostly only in tangental comments. It's an interesting topic though. And I do think there are different ways of looking at Bill Russell and his success as a player. Overrated as a winner? No, certainly not. I don't think it can be overstated how one player as the leader of a team led that team as the main component to 11 championships in 13 years. You cannot overrate Bill Russell as a champion or a winner, regardless of his teammates, the era, or his compe ion. That's as impressive as it gets in terms of championship success.
Overrated as a player, I would definitely be more amenable to agreeing with. But I will say that with qualifiers. I do think time has served Bill Russell's legacy very well. More so than overrating him, time allows people to forget his weaknesses offensively. Never shot 50% from the field for a season. Only shot over 45% four times in 13 seasons. Never averaged 20 PPG despite often playing well over 40 MPG in most of those seasons. Career 56% free throw shooter. Those types of offensive stats would be hugely critical of a player in today's NBA. Faults and weaknesses that are masked by the number of his championships. So, I would agree to an extent that he is overrated now as a player. And when it comes down to the greatness of individual players, I don't believe in the "rings are the only thing that counts" argument. I agree with the opinion that Wilt was easily the superior player.
I do disagree with a few things against Russell though. When it comes to him having the best teammates compared to other star players in his time, that's most likely true. But there's the chicken and the egg argument to be made. Did Bill Russell have all that success because he had the best teammates. Or were Bill Russell's teammates regarded to be so great because of all the championships those teams won. Just as an example, look at KC Jones career statistics. On any other team that doesn't win multiple championships, is KC Jones a hall of famer? Is he even remembered as a player at all? My point is that perhaps some of Bill Russell's teammates were regarded so highly because of the team success and/or because Russell made them better players. I will concede that part of it has to go to Red Auerbach, who I believe was probably a better talent evaluator/GM than he was a coach. Auerbach's value as head coach can be mitigated by the fact that the Bill Russell Celtics won two more les with Russell as head coach. Auerbach's greatness, in my opinion, was tied more into his ability to acquire great players in the draft as opposed to him outcoaching opposing teams.
Lastly, while I do agree that Russell is overrated, I don't think it's to the extent that Daddy of Trolls believes he is. I've seen the argument that Russell wasn't regarded as one of the top players by his peers when he played. Now I'm not old enough to verify or discredit that, but I will say this about how he was viewed at the time he was playing. He won 5 League MVPs, despite all his flaws on offense. He won his first in the second year of his NBA career. He won one the same season Wilt averaged 50/25 and Oscar averaged a triple double. Perhaps as an individual talent, he wasn't regarded as one of the best players in the league, but he certainly was appreciated as a winner by at least those who voted for MVP.
Overrated in terms of individual talent, but I don't believe as much as Daddy Trolls says he is.
Midget, gettin' his denial on.Oh, I get you why you like Koolaid_Man so much. He baits the little ones for ya.
Lashin' out at me ain't gonna grant ya any relief, Midget.
for his era, no ..... I think people would try to compare him to today's player and wonder how he would fair in this day and age. He would be an undersized center with limited offensive game. A modern day Ben Wallace.
How many trick or treaters did you capture last night in those nets and beartraps you surrounded the house with?
I just enjoyed Kool's catch/you.
tee, hee.
You and Katie-girl's first date?
Draggin' the old lady into it ain't gonna grant ya relief as well, Midget.
Sidin' with AIDS ain't gonna make DoK materialize at the Chuckbox.
Har, har, har...
Chief Midget, boltin' the reservation.
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