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Forgive me profe, for missing one of your posts. Inexcusable.
Learned brother: I have no doubt in my mind you were responsible for the very first mention as well. I rue that I wasn't there to share in your internet glory.
No...I used that to describe RG before. Debut means to appear on the scene for the first time. Is english your first language?
Forgive me profe, for missing one of your posts. Inexcusable.
Learned brother: I have no doubt in my mind you were responsible for the very first mention as well. I rue that I wasn't there to share in your internet glory.
sure thing, WH. No skin off my ass.
glad the ass-for-nose subs ution got your funny bone. I thought it might.
Project much?
1) When I went into the military, I fully understood that doing so entailed a risk of death, and was willing to accept that risk, fully conscious of that possibility.
2) Further, I took the job in intel, fully cognizant of the particular risks posed in event of my capture. Generally we tried not to think about it.
3) I carried a "tactical" designation, meaning I was specially trained for being attached to forward units in the normal line of battle. I spent most of my time in a corps-level asset of the type that is "attached" to forward brigades that the corps commander, in his infinte wisdom, decides needs extra "oomph", much like corps level artillery or air support.
4) Between the training, nearly a full year, and the security clearance, they generally frown on putting a rifle in my hands and having me in on the attack. I cost too much, and it would be a waste of my abilities.
5) In the interest of full disclosure, I was never deployed to Iraq, they had sufficient tactical intelligence resources there. Through the magic of satellite communications, I did participate in the processing of live intel, and that ability, rather new at the time, was part of the reason we were not deployed. I did make it known to my commanders that I would have liked to, though.
I tested well, and I could have either been in intel, or a nuclear technician for the navy. Intel seemed more interesting.
Have you ever been in the military?
You do know that this is the internet right? Your name isn't really 'RandomGuy' either. So you don't really have to stick up for yourself and disclose all this personal information about yourself because in the grand scheme of things no one cares and it doesn't really matter.
Learn to brush off the insults and don't give out a whole lot of personal stuff, then you won't feel the need to have to type out a laundry list of qualifications to another random human being that you'll never meet in real life and therefore will never affect you one way or another.
Unless you want to......it is pretty funny for others.
I disagree.
Credibility is credibility. If someone is going to attempt to successfully debate a point, credibility is essential. Also, when an attack gets personal, expect a personal response, IMHO.
Honestly, I was right on all counts. Call it "second sight."4) Between the training, nearly a full year, and the security clearance, they generally frown on putting a rifle in my hands and having me in on the attack. I cost too much, and it would be a waste of my abilities.
5) In the interest of full disclosure, I was never deployed to Iraq, they had sufficient tactical intelligence resources there. Through the magic of satellite communications, I did participate in the processing of live intel, and that ability, rather new at the time, was part of the reason we were not deployed. I did make it known to my commanders that I would have liked to, though.
I tested well, and I could have either been in intel, or a nuclear technician for the navy. Intel seemed more interesting.
Have you ever been in the military?
And though I wasnt in the military, its funny that I have more respect for the armed men and women fighting in the field than you. If you didhave respect, you wouldnt be categorizing them all as dumb grunts in the field who have no knowledge of history or culture....even if you believed that. Are you truly a Self aggrandized desk jockey who is above the riff raff? or just a natural born ? I think both likely apply here.
I suppose, if internet cred is important to you, then yes, you are right.
I have a huge amount of respect for grunts in the field. Some of the smartest people in the army end up in the 11B MOS, for various reasons.
I also know the strengths and weaknesses of their viewpoints. It is entirely possible to be out there risking your life, and have incorrectly assessed the overall strategic situation or goals.
It happens all the time, and will as long as armies exist.
The strengths of the view point is that you get a very close to the source look at their AO.
The weakness is that is the limit of what you get, and the collective amassing of information sometimes leads one to form different conclusions than one might get "in the trenches".
The inverse is true for battlefield commanders, who have to rely on summaries.
I also know, from first hand experience in talking to a lot of people who did go over there, just how little area knowledge they had going in.
Is it your contention that the average basic training recruit in the US military knows the difference between Shia and Sunni? Uzbek and Pashtun? Can name the four principle ethnic groups in Iraq? Afghanistan?
You have criticized me for saying they can't. That is simply an acknowledgement of the fact that most Americans, you included, don't either.
It is a cold, hard fact.
Pretty much.
I didn't go the personal ad hominem route until the cir stances were made a point.
The fact that Mr. Parker's own anger and butthurtness leads him to writing hyperbolic checks that his ass can't cash is on him.
In the context of an internet debate, then yes.
Man, I thank my father every day for pulling me out of that Marines office just as I was about to sign that paper. He sat me down and told me people will profit from you going over there and getting shot up. Then he told me you can enlist when George W. Bush have his daughters fighting over there. Guess I'm not going.
Thanks Pops
A-Men. Your dad is a wise man. War is about profit. Always has been about pillage and plunder.
It was more your obliviousness to fake praise that got me, but never mind: you've been busy making new friends.
I have no problem fighting. , I grew up in South Central Los Angeles. The Crips and Bloods gotta 40 year war going on there; so I've seen some blood splattered. I just don't believe that "we must fight the terrorist over there" propaganda. The minute they start firing missiles from Afghanistan that land on the east coast or once I see them in a bunch of boats invading our shores like Germany did Poland, I'll strap on the fatigues and go to battle.
, we are so bent on protecting our borders and building "incomplete" fences, practically every bombing or terrorist act that has happened in the contiguous 48 has been made by a person who (1) entered through our airports or (2) was born here. LOL
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What if the allow or actively promote the training of people who come here to kill people?
The reason we went into Afghanistan was that the AQ types had training camps there, and the government, such as it was, was either looking the other way, or actively supporting them.
If we were to leave, it is quite possible the same people will simply take back up where they left off.
How do we prevent that from happening?
Which ones did you fight against, the Crips or the Bloods?
white fence
I lived in a Crip hood and pops kept me and my brothers from joining. If he wasn't there, we'd definitely be Crips. Was shot at a few times just standing outside and saw many people get laid down by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Wasn't pretty. Like Beirut especially in the late 70s and early 80s.
That's the thing. Who do you really believe. We were also told by British and American intelligence that WMDs were in Iraq. I thought we stood on the principle of innocent until proven guilty. I have no problem with the claim; just prove it.
As far as leaving, we had no problem doing it in Vietnam. Like old Ron Paul said, we marched into Afghanistan, we can march right now. We said, "we'll never leave you, we have your back until the end of time." And just skated. There's really nothing to gain here.
Our intel on the training camps was MUCH better than our intel on Saddams WMD's.
AQ et al actually put out many videos about them in order to attract new recruits. You have probably seen some of them as background footage to news stories.
AQ didn't have an effective state security apparatus to maintain opsec. They did have some degree of fealty from fellow muslims but that fealty kinda melts at the edges when one shoves two or three month's wages in front of a subsistance farmer.
People that study foreign policy or management for a living have a term called "second order consequences". These things are indirect, often unintended results of direct actions.
Direct action: Funding mujahadeen to kill Soviet troops in Afghanistan.
Second order consequence: After Soviet pullout, the mujahadeen, the only people with military training and weapons, who also happen to be crude theocrats, form the Taliban government of Afghanistan. This government is openly sympathetic to AQ and its anti-western aims.
I don't want to be there anymore than you do.
I do feel it is necessary however. Mr. Paul is right. We can leave at any time.
But at what cost?
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