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Gee should probably be the first to go.
Can someone offer an insight into Simmons' defense? Any good?
actually, I don't think we are set in terms of bigs. I tend to side with Galvatron from a few posts back. If Tiago or McD or Duncan go down ,we are relying on Blair and Bonner for heavy duty interior minutes. Disaster.
If we somehow did find this magical long 3 whose minutes at this time would consumed? It would be Jefferson and Anderson and that would not make good sense at this time.
What makes any perimeter defender better is good interior help defenders behind them. ( two of them , not small ball)You know , like how the Spurs won their championships. And it doesn't have to be an allstar either.
To me it would be ideal to use two of these spots to try to find and develop a legitimate center and that magical long three. What is there to lose with those spots.
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Gee should probably be the first to go.
Can someone offer an insight into Simmons' defense? Any good?
NO, he can not guard small forwards at this point in his career so that means he primarily serves as a small ball four and does better there. In my view, if we are playing small ball at all except maybe for very short periods of time, we are screwed.
Spurs will release Temple and give the 12th to Vaughn !
I get that they are both white 6'3"/6'4" PGs, and while they may have similar offensive skills they are very different defensive players. I'm not sure why you compare Dragic to Udrih on the defensive end.
I'll just assume you werent paying attention when Dragic was guarding Parker and Hill last season.
If the biggest question for this roster is how to fill the 12-14 spots, I'm pretty damn pleased.
Dragic > George Hill
Anyways, I don't think Dragic would have worked out in San Antonio either. Not because of his defense because he's always been solid there (his draftnight footage was a lot of defense).
But because of how Pop treated rookies and young players prior to this year. The leash guys like Hill had would have been just as short or shorter as Pop would have played Vaughn or Mason or done whatever. Even a youngster like Hairston was ignored so Bogans could Bogan his way into the rotation.
Dragic would have had it even worse under Pop, because he had a rough rookie year in PHX and had plenty of people doubting his ability to stay in the league. I remember one story in particular about how Dragic just wasn't 'getting it' and during timeouts he would ignore the coaches in the huddle and spent his time watching the arena festivities and on-screen crowdpleasers. He wasn't in the game or anything but still, as a rookie trying to learn the game his disinterest in huddles was something that irked people.
He eventually worked his way out of his 'stranger-in-a-strange-land' funk but I doubt that would have happened under the old Pop.
Eh, I'm not really against waiving Gee, Temple or Simmons; I'm just not convinced anyone else is all that much better to take their places. I can wait for some D-League games to be played before I start lobbying for anyone else.
He's definitely a better defender than Beno but he was very weak physically and mentally when entering the league which makes me think he wouldn't have worked out on a veteran spurs team with a veteran coach pop. Much like Beno. He's got skills no doubt but he wouldn't have near enough freedom here as he has with Gentry in Phoenix and I don't see that type of player fitting in this system, just like Beno.
do you guys know what happened to hairston? i know he went to europe and got hurt buut i wonder if hes been doing some work, when we dropped him was he sucking? ya know sometimes pop drops players just for the of it , i cant remember for some reason (probably not a good thing)
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I see that I've had a way more pessimistic opinion on Temple than most of you. I find him horrible on the offensive end. His defense is good but nowhere near good enough to offset that lack of offensive skills. I'm not even sure that he deserves more time With Spurs or with the Toros to prove that he is worth a roster spot.
FYI, Hairston came back a couple of weeks ago from his back injury and one week after that, he had a surgery for a hernia. He is out for few weeks.
I watched Temple play yesterday for the first time. Wasn't impressed at all
The good thing is the having all 3 right now is not hurting the Spurs, financial-wise, or on the court. That said, the only 1 I see, getting waived, cut, traded, would be Gee. IMO Pop values Simmon's expierence, and the abillity to play a small ball 4. I also believe Pop likes Temple's defense.
Yea Pop just hates playing rookies. Just ask Splitter, Anderson, and Neal. I think that old arguement is done.
I think he is on vacation over there...
I don't know a lot about him, other than he's long, athletic and can supposedly play both forward spots. I know the Pacers are high on him and had they been successful in trading Jones or Jones, he'd have been on their roster.
Definitely intriguing enough to merit consideration, as are the aforementioned Beverley, Jerrells and Robinson.
But I'm with ChumpDumper on this one. I'm not sure any are markedly better than Simmons, Temple and Gee. It sounds great to have a long, athletic combo forward like Rolle or Robinson, but aside from length and athleticism, what would they really bring? Neither is a good enough perimeter shooter to play the 3D role, so like Gee, I can't see Pop being willing to play either.
Beverley is interesting. If he could shoot worth a lick, he'd be a surefire NBA player.
Jerrells is a better PG than Temple, but Temple is more versatile and when you're only carrying 13 (as the Spurs soon will be), it's best to have versatility.
This is a ways off, but a guy the Spurs should keep an eye on for the off season is Clark. The Suns declined his option for next season earlier this week, which will render him unrestricted by July 1st. Just over a year ago, he was a highly touted prospect, in the mold of an Odom. Long, athletic, versatile, inside-outside combo forward. The knocks on him were his work ethic and his at ude, but still, if the Spurs could get a prospect like this on the cheap, it would be a real coup. Even if he is a bust in the making (foolishly, the Suns haven't really given him a chance, because it was more important to take on the bloated contract of the rotting corpse known as Turkoglu), for the time being he'd essentially amount to a free lottery pick.
the good play by Neal and Anderson has changed a lot of the needs IMO.
Spurs now look pretty deep from 1-3. (a bit undersized and they still lack a stopper, but they compensate with a lot of other qualities). maybe a veteran PG would make some sense. (which Temple isn't). btw. is Rafer Alston an absurd thought? I can also see more sense in signing Jerrells than keeping Temple.
Gee and Simmons both don't make any sense. Gee isn't better than the 5th option for either wing spot.
Simmons could play a role thoretically, but can't any more. Spurs should waive him and try another (similar) player and look if he can deliver a bit more.
what happened to James Singleton? (didn't he go to China?)
well, if Singleton was available, i wouldn't mind if the Spurs cut Simmons for him.
I'll say this, Simmons is an after thought. No need in keeping him, find a real big. Spurs really need a 3rd string center, and backup small forward and a "real" backup point guard but in the order of center, pg, sf IMO. Are these position available and can we acquire them by moving some players is the question and I say more than likely, no. Gee is perhaps on the team because he is young and athletic and can possible work in the offseason with the staff like RJ or the right deal hasn't manifested to move him, could be moved by deadline.
Honestly I like Temple he hasn't shown alot in 3 games but he's really handy to have around as the 3rd string PG, SG and SF, and good for subbing a game starting at any one of those 3 positions. He's merely competent offensively but he doesn't turn the ball over and tends to make decent decisions. What more do you want from the guy?
Most likely that the Spurs will waive Gee but retain Temple and Simmons.. and possibly use them as trade bait as the Dec 15th deadline approaches. As of now, there is too little a chance of a trade. Rest of the waived players across the league look like chickenfeed and are of no necessary value. As of now, in my opinion.
I agree with CD. There isn't anybody on the Hoopshype list that I think has more to offer than what the Spurs have now, with the exception of McCants. But if there is one spot on the roster that is full, it's SG.
Simmons waived and Chris Quinn (a 6'2 PG signed). Adds a definite wrinkle to this thread I'd say...
I find it hard to care about anyone after maybe player 9 or 10. If we need them to be anything more than a practice player or a garbage time eater, well, we have MUCH bigger concerns at that point.
I care in case of injuries. But if even largely healthy, it's mostly irrelevant. There's 11 players on this team that Pop trusts and barring an acquisition of an established player in the league without surrendering one of those 11 (which would be difficult), it's unlikely that that number is going to increase this season.
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