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    Oil/Coal lobby, which IS Repub party, probably will never see cap and trade as anything but priority number 1.

    The prospect of diminishing returns on their ownership interests under the ground at any point in the future probably results in nightsweats for the lot of them.

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    Oil/Coal lobby, which IS Repub party, probably will never see cap and trade as anything but priority number 1.

    The prospect of diminishing returns on their ownership interests under the ground at any point in the future probably results in nightsweats for the lot of them.
    Cap and trade opposition isn't just limited to oil & coal. The unions don't like it either because it will push more "dirty" manufacturing jobs out of the country. If you're GM for example, what would you rather do? Play the whole cap and trade bull game or just go build more cars in Mexico or China where they don't give a about carbon footprints?

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    Oil/Coal lobby, which IS Repub party, probably will never see cap and trade as anything but priority number 1.

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    you disagree? how?

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    Parker you're so busy posting you don't take enough time to read what is posted. You really need to work on your listening - or in this case - reading skills.

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    Just noting the similarity. Great minds think alike.

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    Just noting the similarity. Great minds think alike.
    stay in the fox hole whydontyou.

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    stay in the winehole whydontyou.

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    Parker you're so busy posting you don't take enough time to read what is posted. You really need to work on your listening - or in this case - reading skills.
    actually you are refusing to face reality. They ARE doing this for a reason. I am giving you possibilities as to why. You are saying they shouldnt be doing this. But thats just not the case.

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    stay in the fox hole whydontyou.
    Crass economic reductionism suits you. It's not my cup of tea, but you're certainly welcome to it.

    (I wouldn't deprive anyone of a mental crutch they really need.)

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    Anyone who refuses to be an echo of me is turning their back on reality.

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    I must be typing in Spanish.

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    Parker's does monologues. Conversation isn't really his bag. Like you said, not only is he incurious about what others say, he doesn't really bother to pay attention in the first place.

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    I must be typing in Spanish.
    The point of contention is whether or not during a time of economic crisis with no imminent threat of cap and trade (if the Dems couldn't pass it with 60 in the senate then?) why the are the focusing on this other than political grandstanding.
    thats the question Ive been answering this whole time.

    Not sure what else you want to address at this point.

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    I contribute criticism of other posters. Thats what I do. Dont ask me to put myself out there much. Cuz thats not what I do. The last thing I want to do is put my knickers on display.

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    thats the question Ive been answering this whole time.
    The confusion is understandable. Your answer sounded more like an lame excuse for political grandstanding than a real reason to me.

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    The point of contention is whether or not during a time of economic crisis with no imminent threat of cap and trade (if the Dems couldn't pass it with 60 in the senate then?) why the are the focusing on this other than political grandstanding.
    two questions. whether or not, and why. I guess Ive been addressing the why, not the whether or not.

    This explains the confusion actually

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    The confusion is understandable. Your answer sounded more like an lame excuse for political grandstanding than a real reason to me.
    The impeachment of Clinton wasn't grandstanding - it was a strike at the attacks aimed at our nation's values for decades to come!

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    <zing!>

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    To be (a bit) fair my post he's quoting is worded pretty badly and might as well be in Spanish.

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    it does look a bit rushed.

    But as to grandstanding, How about they have no agenda until they have power, so in the meantime they just waste time to gel up the machine?

    They dont want recovery, because that gives the Obama admin a potential second wind. So lets bind govts hands as tight as possible, and commit public resouces to the type of that will never put a single job back in the economy, but that helps us long term, because short term we dont have a plan, and we dont want Dems to successfully implement their plan.

    ?

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    To be fair my post he's quoting is worded pretty badly and might as well be in Spanish
    Your awkward phrasing does not diminish Parker's ongoing failure.

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    This is part of candidate Obama's appeal during 2008. He could unite the American people against the corporate interests in in American politics. It aligned Libertarians and Liberals at the same time. I am usually the lightweight in these conversations as well, although I am a liberal across the board.

    In practice, what he has done is capitulate to Republicans that want to ruin him and have very little interest of the American people at heart. It's a party that has made the arguments we all agree on while protecting the interests of those that were put into office. I offer the Bush Tax Cuts as an example. Rand Paul said it clearer than just about anyone: "Picking on rich people when we sell them things or work for them hurts us all." There, for the rich's money is your job. To tax them means they will cut back and put you out of work instead of taking it out of their profits and profitability. Instead of having a problem with that when when we have budget shortfalls in States, falling revenues across the board, and the effect of the Bush Tax Cuts themselves on the econony (it wasn't a job creator nor did it grow the middle class), is insane. It's protecting a broken system.

    If President Obama is able to see this, he has not indicated it. If President Obama is fighting against this wave of misinformation, recycled Repbulicans, and exploitation of outrage, I have yet to see his methods. That is why he's a bad leader. That's my take.
    We could really use you posting in here a bit more. That's a great analysis.

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