Tayshaun prince/Rip Hamilton could come to spurs??

[jag]

Hey, this one works!

[hater]

Prince hasn't been a lockdown defender since 06

[Obstructed_View]

Hey yeah. Maybe if we throw in a draft pick or two Joe might be convinced to part with Prince and Hamilton. What a team we'd have then!

[Leonard Curse]

jag your always on top of your sigs haha man how embarassing that wall dance was

[crc21209]

nah...maybe 3 or 4 years ago but not now...too old and washed up.

[UnWantedTheory]

where does the story say Rip is coming?

prince would be an upgrade over RJ though thats for sure. we'd be dumb as not to make that move if we can.

Are serious?

[AussieFanKurt]

Rj>prince

[stxspurs]

we cant let go of jefferson...at least not now.

[ohmwrecker]

My how the tide has turned . . .

[Bruno]

It would be strange for Spurs to trade RJ just at the moment where it works.

The most problematic with this guess is on Pistons side. It makes absolutely no sense for them to take RJ contract while they are rebuilding.

[Obstructed_View]

Can the Spurs trade RJ for Prince and then turn around and trade his expiring? If they could, is there anything they can get that would be an upgrade over an RJ that seems to be getting it?

[Yannis Koutroupis]

Hey guys,

Wanted to get a few points in then feel free to let the beating commence.

First, nothing really to say about the error on the year that the Pistons won the championship other than that's embarrassing and unacceptable. In my rush to meet my daily 5 pm deadline I didn't double-check all the facts, something that's gotten me in trouble more times than I'd like to acknowledge. I'd explain how 2006 came out of my head, but it doesn't change that I should have verified it and didn't. So, I'll leave that out.

Secondly, I nearly posted this article myself in fear that it would be taken the wrong way. However, I'm not a huge fan of pushing my stuff on message boards unless it's breaking news or original material with quotes that you guys don't already get from the S.A. Express, who do a far better job in covering the team day-to-day than I'm capable of doing from Corpus Christi. Typically, anything I do Spurs related that warrants discussion gets posted by one of the members here anyway, so I rarely feel like there's a need for me to do it myself.

Starting in July I was given the NBA PM column at HOOPSWORLD, which consists of the top 3-5 stories in the league and anything that I feel the need to touch on. It corresponds with the NBA AM and NBA At 2, which do the exact same job. Coming up with stuff to talk about when two columns do the exact same thing I do earlier in the day is not always the easiest thing, so there are days where I'll have to speculate and build on ideas I suggest. The idea actually stemmed from the Pistons conflicts being talked about in the AM, and two trade targets being shot down in the At 2.

Yesterday's piece on Tayshaun Prince and Rip Hamilton was purely me playing connect the dots and throwing a few ideas out there that were more realistic to me than the ones covered in the At 2. I know that several people who posted in this thread aren't hot on that method of writing - but when you have to write daily and cover 3-5 stories in the evening, it's sometimes the best way to stir up some conversation and debate rather than talking about Antawn Jamison's status for practice tomorrow.

Where I messed up, and what almost made me post it myself, is that I didn't make it extremely clear enough that it was purely speculative. I was hoping that it wouldn't get taken as something possibly being discussed by excluding terms like "sources say" or "the spurs have inquired about". That didn't happen, though.

Now, onto the proposal (only going to talk about Prince since that's who people here care about). I actually caught some heat from within for suggesting that Blair would be included in ANY deal.

Because the Spurs are such a tight-lipped organization with their moves there's nobody who can truly say whether or not Blair is actually untouchable. However, I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't be attainable in the right deal and honestly I think Prince is a player who they would be willing to let him go for.

When trying to judge whether or not the Spurs would do a specific deal or include certain players in trades I always try to go along with what they've done in the past. Blair, as much of a steal as he was and as solid as he's been, is not irreplaceable to me - especially when you already have guys like McDyess, Splitter and Bonner. He's a great role player to have, but if he's the difference maker in getting a piece that can make you a championship contender you do it. I don't know about guys, but I personally see DeJuan being moved to the second unit sometime in the next month or two for Splitter due to his excessive turnovers and struggles containing his own man defensively.

As far as Prince and Jefferson are concerned, unlike most here apparently, I'd taken Prince in the Spurs' system based on how he can defend. I know someone said he hasn't been a lockdown defender since 2006, but the Pistons have been in a free fall since 2006 while playing musical chairs with head coaches. There's no doubt in my mind had he been a Spur he'd still be known for his ability to really slow down some of the best perimeter players in the league. I also have plenty of confidence in saying that if you swap out Jefferson for Prince last year that the Spurs are in the WCF's and not the Suns.

Is Jefferson and another big too much for Prince straight up? You guys probably got me there. The deal would be much more reasonable if I had another Pistons big like Maxiell coming with Prince.

Another question I saw come up is if the Pistons would even be willing to take on Jefferson's contract. I think that Jefferson's deal isn't more than his value like his last contract. If you factor in the 10-15% rollback that owners are reportedly looking for in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement it'll be especially nice for someone of his caliber. Also, I don't think there are going to be other teams willing to offer a player better than RJ. Because of those factors, I think he's a nice player for the Pistons to get as they approach rebuilding effort.

The chemistry concerns that come with making such a trade are absolutely legitimate and probably a bit overlooked by me due to how great of a fit I think Prince is. However, as RJ told me in training camp - he's only played one style of basketball his entire career prior to getting to S.A., which is up tempo. That's not the case with Prince. He's played, and won a championship under, a discipline-oriented, defense-first head coach in Larry Brown. I think he'd be able to fit in much easier than RJ, who needed a lot of time to adjust to the demands of being a Spur.

I think I've covered just about every base on this. Again, feel the need to apologize for not making the speculative nature of this piece clearer. After reading this though, I hope everyone can understand a little bit more where it came from and take it for more than just made up crap.

I try to keep an an eye on these forums for my work in case any issues like these come up because I haven't found a more popular Spurs message board. In the case that I ever miss something, I'm never one to run from my material and have no trouble explaining further. If you don't hear from me, you can always shoot me an email at [email protected] or a tweet at Twitter.com/YannisHW to let me know that something I wrote came off as moronic and needs explanation.

Sorry about the length of this post - wanted to cover everything!

[Supergirl]

None of the players the article mentions are worth giving up for Prince, and I love Prince. But not even Dice, and certainly not RJ (now that he's playing well) and Blair. Prince is a talented defender but he's old and injury prone.

[ynh]

None of the players the article mentions are worth giving up for Prince, and I love Prince. But not even Dice, and certainly not RJ (now that he's playing well) and Blair. Prince is a talented defender but he's old and injury prone.

Old and injury prone? Are you joking.. he is 30 and had 6 straight seasons where he didn't miss a game.. he missed 33 games in a 8 year career and he is injury prone? Seriously?

[ynh]

497 consecutive games played streak and he is injury prone?

[ChuckD]

Prince really only played hard for LB. He wasn't much before LB got there, and has really relaxed as a defender since LB left.

[ynh]

Not really.. his defence went down when B. Wallace left.. D never had anything to do with Brown.. if anything Brown was guilty of using Prince wrongly (Prince on Duncan). But Prince was so "good" at D because he could cheat like a Mo Fo with Big Ben back there.. much of the time he would just funnel the player to ben. Had nothing to do with LB..

Also he was pretty good (but in the same manner) before LB got there.. He shut down Tmac when we were about to get knocked out by the Magic in the first round.. he doesn't step up we get swept by an 8th seed that year.

[UnWantedTheory]

Even still, 50% of it doesnt make much basketball or business sense.

[UnWantedTheory]

Tay is also going to be 31 in about 3 months or so....

[ynh]

Oh I agree.. I don't think it makes sense.. I do think people on here for some reason think tay is much worse then he really is.. the injury prone comment was just straight up re ed. I think tay is the better player between he and Jefferson of last year (and I'm not one to say that because Jefferson has been good for 5 games that last year was a fluke).. But the comment that an individual wouldn't even trade Dice for Prince and that Prince is old (really is that a concern to you guys seeing the ages of Manu and Tim?) and injury prone was just too much to not comment.

Either way it would never happen.. Your team and reasons for not making the trade aside, this would be probably the dumbest trade I could ever imagin the Pistons making. But it's hoopsworld.. or whatever that site is called.. I figure they didn't put any thought into it.

[ynh]

He'll get traded by the deadline.. and it will be to a west team I'm sure.. but it won't be the spurs... just nothing there to make it work.

[DrSteffo]

LOL Pistons fans wants to tank the season and get rid of their old half injured over the top vets with ridiculous contracts. No thanks. For your young SFs...I would say maybe.

[ynh]

Tay is an expiring contract you idiot.

[Leonard Curse]

Hey guys,

Wanted to get a few points in then feel free to let the beating commence.

First, nothing really to say about the error on the year that the Pistons won the championship other than that's embarrassing and unacceptable. In my rush to meet my daily 5 pm deadline I didn't double-check all the facts, something that's gotten me in trouble more times than I'd like to acknowledge. I'd explain how 2006 came out of my head, but it doesn't change that I should have verified it and didn't. So, I'll leave that out.

Secondly, I nearly posted this article myself in fear that it would be taken the wrong way. However, I'm not a huge fan of pushing my stuff on message boards unless it's breaking news or original material with quotes that you guys don't already get from the S.A. Express, who do a far better job in covering the team day-to-day than I'm capable of doing from Corpus Christi. Typically, anything I do Spurs related that warrants discussion gets posted by one of the members here anyway, so I rarely feel like there's a need for me to do it myself.

Starting in July I was given the NBA PM column at HOOPSWORLD, which consists of the top 3-5 stories in the league and anything that I feel the need to touch on. It corresponds with the NBA AM and NBA At 2, which do the exact same job. Coming up with stuff to talk about when two columns do the exact same thing I do earlier in the day is not always the easiest thing, so there are days where I'll have to speculate and build on ideas I suggest. The idea actually stemmed from the Pistons conflicts being talked about in the AM, and two trade targets being shot down in the At 2.

Yesterday's piece on Tayshaun Prince and Rip Hamilton was purely me playing connect the dots and throwing a few ideas out there that were more realistic to me than the ones covered in the At 2. I know that several people who posted in this thread aren't hot on that method of writing - but when you have to write daily and cover 3-5 stories in the evening, it's sometimes the best way to stir up some conversation and debate rather than talking about Antawn Jamison's status for practice tomorrow.

Where I messed up, and what almost made me post it myself, is that I didn't make it extremely clear enough that it was purely speculative. I was hoping that it wouldn't get taken as something possibly being discussed by excluding terms like "sources say" or "the spurs have inquired about". That didn't happen, though.

Now, onto the proposal (only going to talk about Prince since that's who people here care about). I actually caught some heat from within for suggesting that Blair would be included in ANY deal.

Because the Spurs are such a tight-lipped organization with their moves there's nobody who can truly say whether or not Blair is actually untouchable. However, I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't be attainable in the right deal and honestly I think Prince is a player who they would be willing to let him go for.

When trying to judge whether or not the Spurs would do a specific deal or include certain players in trades I always try to go along with what they've done in the past. Blair, as much of a steal as he was and as solid as he's been, is not irreplaceable to me - especially when you already have guys like McDyess, Splitter and Bonner. He's a great role player to have, but if he's the difference maker in getting a piece that can make you a championship contender you do it. I don't know about guys, but I personally see DeJuan being moved to the second unit sometime in the next month or two for Splitter due to his excessive turnovers and struggles containing his own man defensively.

As far as Prince and Jefferson are concerned, unlike most here apparently, I'd taken Prince in the Spurs' system based on how he can defend. I know someone said he hasn't been a lockdown defender since 2006, but the Pistons have been in a free fall since 2006 while playing musical chairs with head coaches. There's no doubt in my mind had he been a Spur he'd still be known for his ability to really slow down some of the best perimeter players in the league. I also have plenty of confidence in saying that if you swap out Jefferson for Prince last year that the Spurs are in the WCF's and not the Suns.

Is Jefferson and another big too much for Prince straight up? You guys probably got me there. The deal would be much more reasonable if I had another Pistons big like Maxiell coming with Prince.

Another question I saw come up is if the Pistons would even be willing to take on Jefferson's contract. I think that Jefferson's deal isn't more than his value like his last contract. If you factor in the 10-15% rollback that owners are reportedly looking for in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement it'll be especially nice for someone of his caliber. Also, I don't think there are going to be other teams willing to offer a player better than RJ. Because of those factors, I think he's a nice player for the Pistons to get as they approach rebuilding effort.

The chemistry concerns that come with making such a trade are absolutely legitimate and probably a bit overlooked by me due to how great of a fit I think Prince is. However, as RJ told me in training camp - he's only played one style of basketball his entire career prior to getting to S.A., which is up tempo. That's not the case with Prince. He's played, and won a championship under, a discipline-oriented, defense-first head coach in Larry Brown. I think he'd be able to fit in much easier than RJ, who needed a lot of time to adjust to the demands of being a Spur.

I think I've covered just about every base on this. Again, feel the need to apologize for not making the speculative nature of this piece clearer. After reading this though, I hope everyone can understand a little bit more where it came from and take it for more than just made up crap.

I try to keep an an eye on these forums for my work in case any issues like these come up because I haven't found a more popular Spurs message board. In the case that I ever miss something, I'm never one to run from my material and have no trouble explaining further. If you don't hear from me, you can always shoot me an email at [email protected] or a tweet at Twitter.com/YannisHW to let me know that something I wrote came off as moronic and needs explanation.

Sorry about the length of this post - wanted to cover everything!

i really respect yannis for doing this, he knows what he messed up on, and maybe even right b/c of the simmons departure. i would hope pop would give Rj more time before pulling the trigger after hes fitting in so well. i can admit his defense is nothing compared to princes, that is if tayshaun can keep up these days. but it looks like we need Rj'S scoring abilities more than we realized

[jestersmash]

i really respect yannis for doing this, he knows what he messed up on, and maybe even right b/c of the simmons departure. i would hope pop would give Rj more time before pulling the trigger after hes fitting in so well. i can admit his defense is nothing compared to princes, that is if tayshaun can keep up these days. but it looks like we need Rj'S scoring abilities more than we realized

He didn't "mess up" on anything. It's just an article with a man giving his opinions.

Short of using hollinger's trade system, there's no objectively correct answer to any of this.

He posted an opinion that virtually 100% of spurs fans disagree with, and that's that.