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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    ...from the midterm elections?

    It's not me, it's you.

    “I think that’s a fair argument. I think that, over the course of two years we were so busy and so focused on getting a bunch of stuff done that, we stopped paying attention to the fact that leadership isn’t just legislation. That it’s a matter of persuading people. And giving them confidence and bringing them together. And setting a tone,” Mr. Obama told 60 Minutes’ Steve Kroft in an exclusive interview set to air Sunday.

    “Making an argument that people can understand,” Mr. Obama continued, “I think that we haven’t always been successful at that. And I take personal responsibility for that. And it’s something that I’ve got to examine carefully … as I go forward.”
    Paraphrased: "I Need To Speak To You Idiots Slower And Use Smaller Words."

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    that paraphrase is how we talk to you.

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    ...from the midterm elections?

    It's not me, it's you.



    Paraphrased: "I Need To Speak To You Idiots Slower And Use Smaller Words."

    That's certainly one way to look at it

    The normal person's view on it would be, as it should be, that there are people that don't understand much about politics, or are just getting into it...besides, what is wrong with a goal of "
    “Making an argument that people can understand"? Would you rather a large amount of people misunderstand his intentions? Actually, I'm sure you would.

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    That's certainly one way to look at it

    The normal person's view on it would be, as it should be, that there are people that don't understand much about politics, or are just getting into it...besides, what is wrong with a goal of "
    “Making an argument that people can understand"? Would you rather a large amount of people misunderstand his intentions? Actually, I'm sure you would.
    Actually, no. I think if people had understood his intentions they would have been more vocal in their opposition to the onerous agenda on which he's embarked.

    There is no way to sell Obamacare, Cap and Trade, or Financial bailouts while telling the truth in an understandable manner. Their only chance to ram it through was through lying to the public and doing dirty deals with moderate Democrats and shutting out Republicans.

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    I Aint Got No Job Gutter92's Avatar
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    Actually, no. I think if people had understood his intentions they would have been more vocal in their opposition to the onerous agenda on which he's embarked.

    There is no way to sell Obamacare, Cap and Trade, or Financial bailouts while telling the truth in an understandable manner. Their only chance to ram it through was through lying to the public and doing dirty deals with moderate Democrats and shutting out Republicans.
    How did Obama lie to the public? I'm genuinely curious; I don't watch MSNBC or Fox news, only CNN. They don't seem very biased either way.

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    How did Obama lie to the public? I'm genuinely curious; I don't watch MSNBC or Fox news, only CNN. They don't seem very biased either way.
    Well, if I had to pick just a couple...

    "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

    "Health Care Reform will not add one dime to the deficit."

    "I will not raise taxes on anyone making $250,000 or less."

    There are a few...thousand more just like that.

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    Oh yeah, two of my favorites:

    "I will give Americans 5 days to read a piece of legislation before I sign it."

    "Health care reform will be discussed in the open, on C-Span."

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    "Obama lied, our economy died."

    I'm getting the bumper sticker.

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    Or, "Obama lied, my grandmother died" [because an Obamacare death panel found it was more economical not to treat her illness aggressively...just give her a pain pill and park her in a corner.]

    I know, kind of long.

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    lol go for it yoni, the stage is yours!

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    Or, "Obama lied, my grandmother died" [because an Obamacare death panel found it was more economical not to treat her illness aggressively...just give her a pain pill and park her in a corner.]

    I know, kind of long.
    Is he the first president that has lied? Or is there another reason besides him being Democrat that you're so upset by his lies specifically...is there an underlying reason perhaps? I think you know what I'm getting at.

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    Is he the first president that has lied? Or is there another reason besides him being Democrat that you're so upset by his lies specifically...is there an underlying reason perhaps? I think you know what I'm getting at.
    No, you're right; Clinton was a damn good liar.

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    Actually, no. I think if people had understood his intentions they would have been more vocal in their opposition to the onerous agenda on which he's embarked.

    There is no way to sell Obamacare, Cap and Trade, or Financial bailouts while telling the truth in an understandable manner. Their only chance to ram it through was through lying to the public and doing dirty deals with moderate Democrats and shutting out Republicans.
    Whate were his intentions yoni?

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    Whate were his intentions yoni?
    To pass Obamacare, Cap and Trade, and the Stimulus. Wasn't I clear? And, to do so, he had to lie. If he told the truth about the dire straits those three pieces of legislation would leave us in, there would have been an even bigger outcry.

    Sorry, I'll use smaller words and type slower next time.

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    "I will not raise taxes on anyone making $250,000 or less."
    Have your taxes gone up or down the past two years, yoni?

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    Actually, no. I think if people had understood his intentions they would have been more vocal in their opposition to the onerous agenda on which he's embarked.

    There is no way to sell Obamacare, Cap and Trade, or Financial bailouts while telling the truth in an understandable manner. Their only chance to ram it through was through lying to the public and doing dirty deals with moderate Democrats and shutting out Republicans.
    So know one knew he intended to pass obama care? So people were in the dark and had no idea he was trying pass his legislation?.............ok.....I. still have my doctor..

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    So know one knew he intended to pass obama care?
    No one knew what it was.

    So people were in the dark and had no idea he was trying pass his legislation?.............ok
    , people are still in the dark about a lot of what is in that piece of legislation. Even the Congress that passed it hadn't read it.

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    No one knew what it was.


    , people are still in the dark about a lot of what is in that piece of legislation. Even the Congress that passed it hadn't read it.
    So they did know his intention was to pass obamacare

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    Have your taxes gone up or down the past two years, yoni?
    good question...yoni?

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    good question...yoni?
    He's only two years in. The Bush tax cuts are set to expire December 31. Insurance Premiums have already risen.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    He's only two years in. The Bush tax cuts are set to expire December 31. Insurance Premiums have already risen.
    Have your taxes gone up?

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    They will if the Republicans don't stop him from allowing the Bush Tax cuts to expire. They will by quite a bit.

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    So your taxes haven't gone up.

    Have they gone down?

    Do you make over $250,000 a year?

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    Insurance Premiums have already risen.
    You expected them to go down?

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    I don't really care... Yonivore's Avatar
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    Did he say my "taxes would not rise in the first two years of his administration but, beyond that, I can't say?"

    No, he said...

    "I will NOT raise taxes. Period!"


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