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    Popovich is simply going to rotate that final spot up to the deadline to try out role players. Good move in my opinion. Needs to find a young defensive minded small forward with some height that he can groom. No pressure.

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    Your first two thoughts are in direct conflict. They aren't even remotely the same.
    Not so much. Quinn will contribute about as much as Ahearn. Hence, they're pretty much the same.

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    good signing, solid pg

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    No one is talking about team chemistry but i think that has to be imortant considering the 13-14 spot? It seems Simmons wants PT and thats fair enough but he would not get it.

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    this signin is a powershift move

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    No one is talking about team chemistry but i think that has to be imortant considering the 13-14 spot? It seems Simmons wants PT and thats fair enough but he would not get it.
    Also, Simmons was horrible. He is what happens when you DON'T become a workout ninja and adjust your diet and lifestyle when you hit 30.

    I think that 13th spot is going to be a turnstile. It will be used for auditions or short term needs. Right now, with Hill on the shelf at least short term, we need a ball handler and shooter.

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    Once Anderson started playing well at backup SF and Splitter completed the bigman rotation, it didn't make sense to keep Simmons. He wasn't the answer for the wing defender either, so it didn't make sense to carry his salary and approach the luxury threshold. If a wing defender become available the Spurs won't lose the lux bonus to sign him.

    Quinn is a fourth year player, he should be serviceable. I doubt Riley would give any play time a player that doesn't play defense. Too bad for Jerrells, I always had the impression he was the better backup PG for the Spurs than Temple.

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    So we lose a scrub to gain one? what thee .
    Not too much to choose from right now. The only available PG I can think of who isn't a scrub, is a total headcase.

    Skip 2 my Lou

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    I still don't like it. Why did we have to cut Simmons to get Quinn? I think Simmons is someone who is going to give you physical defense if anything. Agreed that Temple has been playing horribly. Quinn is interesting cause of his shooting but I keep dreaming of shooters coming in and becoming Steve Kerr.

    We should have been able to keep Simmons even with Quinn on board and then cut one or both later. But Temple looks like he is going down.

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    Have the Heat/Nets waived Alston yet?

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    I like it. I was just about to respond to a mountainballer post that I, which usually seems to be the case, was in agreement with.

    Quinn's a capable point and a marksman from deep. The Spurs aren't overloaded with dead eye shooters and Hill's been used more as a 2, ceding playmaking responsibilities to Ginobili more often than not -- playing big minutes at the point isn't conducive to keeping an older Ginobili fresh.

    I'm on this move.
    he played decently for the heat last season right? he's not a bad pick-up, now that there's an actual backup PG, not another combo.

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    Have the Heat/Nets waived Alston yet?
    He's a FA.

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    I don't know that I disagreed with you at the time, but considering the play of Ginobili and Jefferson, may I just say
    I'm not sure how that's funny?

    I'm not speaking to how they're playing or their stature on the team, I'm speaking to the long-term success and their best bet to field their best defensive squad.

    Look at it this way, when you look at this team and their need for young players to grow and thrive for them to have ultimate success, this team is a little like '03: they need relatively young and inexperienced players to play important and prominent roles to succeed, and they're going to be back to utilizing the Twin Tower frontline.

    '03 had Jackson, Bowen and Ginobili each playing around 30min. per during the playoffs. I believe, sans a trade, Anderson needs to take Bowen's minutes and role. He doesn't need to be Bowen, but he needs to be their primary defender at the 2/3 and play those minutes.

    When Jefferson came aboard I said the only way they could make it work was if they could get the Bowen role filled by a 2 and Jefferson could be somewhat of a Jackson of '03 -- a good enough shooter and driver to compliment the Twin Tower frontline, the paint-living Parker and someone who could create for himself and others. Judging by what I've seen from Jefferson, that's not looking as far-fetched as I once thought.

    With a lineup of Parker, Anderson, Jefferson, Splitter and Duncan (by the end of the year - I'd stick with Blair for now and give Anderson a little more time to get up to speed), you've got two slashers on the floor, one pure shooter and off the ball player and the Twin Tower setup. Jefferson keeps playing at a star level, not even the All-Star level he's been playing at, that seems to me to be a pretty ideal lineup. Proven, even, in terms of skill set and complimentary needs.

    I know I keep reminding people of this, but Kerr was the backup point guard for the Spurs the second half of the season when Speedy Claxton was hurt. That was the last year of Kerr's career. Dude may not be guaranteed minutes but he'd better be prepared to play and contribute if asked.
    I'm perfectly aware of that. That season is the one that's most fond to me, for a mul ude of reasons, and the one I may remember best. Great, great year for the team (for both my teams, actually. Go Bucs!) and a big momentum shift in my life at the time.

    But, again, I was speaking long-term. I was speaking ultimate success, playoffs.

    I stated best-case scenario he would be somewhat of a Kerr and have a similar role. The type of role Kerr had in the playoffs where he didn't even average 5 minutes -- situational marksman (and I remember Game 6 like it was yesterday ).

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    he's an emo headcase.
    fify

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    I'm not sure how that's funny?

    I'm not speaking to how they're playing or their stature on the team, I'm speaking to the long-term success and their best bet to field their best defensive squad.

    Look at it this way, when you look at this team and their need for young players to grow and thrive for them to have ultimate success, this team is a little like '03: they need relatively young and inexperienced players to play important and prominent roles to succeed, and they're going to be back to utilizing the Twin Tower frontline.

    '03 had Jackson, Bowen and Ginobili each playing around 30min. per during the playoffs. I believe, sans a trade, Anderson needs to take Bowen's minutes and role. He doesn't need to be Bowen, but he needs to be their primary defender at the 2/3 and play those minutes.

    When Jefferson came aboard I said the only way they could make it work was if they could get the Bowen role filled by a 2 and Jefferson could be somewhat of a Jackson of '03 -- a good enough shooter and driver to compliment the Twin Tower frontline, the paint-living Parker and someone who could create for himself and others. Judging by what I've seen from Jefferson, that's not looking as far-fetched as I once thought.

    With a lineup of Parker, Anderson, Jefferson, Splitter and Duncan (by the end of the year - I'd stick with Blair for now and give Anderson a little more time to get up to speed), you've got two slashers on the floor, one pure shooter and off the ball player and the Twin Tower setup. Jefferson keeps playing at a star level, not even the All-Star level he's been playing at, that seems to me to be a pretty ideal lineup. Proven, even, in terms of skill set and complimentary needs.
    I love Ja (I pronounce it phonetically), but with Manu and Richard Jefferson on the team, I want them starting. There are two scenarios where Ja could start, and neither of them are good scenarios. I hope he ends up in the conversation about starting as soon as possible though, because that can only be good for the team.

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    Quinn is a nonsenso for me

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    I love Ja (I pronounce it phonetically), but with Manu and Richard Jefferson on the team, I want them starting. There are two scenarios where Ja could start, and neither of them are good scenarios. I hope he ends up in the conversation about starting as soon as possible though, because that can only be good for the team.
    Gentleman's disagreement (and that term's used loosely when Blackjack is involved).

    This team's defense isn't capable of reaching an '03 level, but it's going to have to be considerably better. You can't simply compensate for an average or inconsistent defense with more or better offense. Basketball just doesn't work that way -- just ask Dallas, Phoenix and a host of others.

    But whether Anderson starts or not, or if and when he does or not, the Spurs are going to need a primary defender at the 2/3 capable of playing close to 30 minutes a game -- and it's hard to envision a 6-2 George Hill being that guy.

    As an aside, it's really amazing how much RJ is reminding me of Jackson on his 3-point shot. They don't share the same form or technique but if you just see where the ball leaves the hand and the trajectory/high-arcing flight of the ball ... the last person to do that in standstill, spot-up situations donning a Spurs uniform was Jack.

    Hope the guy can keep it up, and that this year's team can find themselves being compared to the '03 team because of the end result.

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    Gentleman's disagreement (and that term's used loosely when Blackjack is involved).

    This team's defense isn't capable of reaching an '03 level, but it's going to have to be considerably better. You can't simply compensate for an average or inconsistent defense with more or better offense. Basketball just doesn't work that way -- just ask Dallas, Phoenix and a host of others.

    But whether Anderson starts or not, or if and when he does or not, the Spurs are going to need a primary defender at the 2/3 capable of playing close to 30 minutes a game -- and it's hard to envision a 6-2 George Hill being that guy.

    As an aside, it's really amazing how much RJ is reminding me of Jackson on his 3-point shot. They don't share the same form or technique but if you just see where the ball leaves the hand and the trajectory/high-arcing flight of the ball ... the last person to do that in standstill, spot-up situations donning a Spurs uniform was Jack.

    Hope the guy can keep it up, and that this year's team can find themselves being compared to the '03 team because of the end result.
    No doubt, I'm excited about his defense. He's looking like he can be the guy we hoped George could be, or the mythical "Hairston with a jumper" that has been discussed.

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    Simmons sucked that is why he was waived.

    To me we need three things (1.)we need a true backup PG someone who can create offense for other players even when Manu is not playing. (2.) We need a young Bruce and I don't know if Hill is that guy yeah he has long arms but they are still attached to a 6'2 body. (3.) A shot blocking center.

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    Simmons sucked that is why he was waived.

    To me we need three things (1.)we need a true backup PG someone who can create offense for other players even when Manu is not playing. (2.) We need a young Bruce and I don't know if Hill is that guy yeah he has long arms but they are still attached to a 6'2 body. (3.) A shot blocking center.
    Bruce is gone, bro
    There's no-one in the FA who's a shot-blocker C
    We're just going to have to settle to wait for Splitter to catch up

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    this years team depends (barring injury) on the defense of George Hill and Anderson. If one of those guys can make a name for themselves as a great defensive player, this team has all the pieces.

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    this years team depends (barring injury) on the defense of George Hill and Anderson. If one of those guys can make a name for themselves as a great defensive player, this team has all the pieces.
    I've been saying for some time that the only way to replace Bruce Bowen's defense is by committee. Gary Neal's played really good defense too. If the young guys learn the system and everyone avoids lazy/stupid Michael Finley type defense this team could be tough to score on in stretches.

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    I've been saying for some time that the only way to replace Bruce Bowen's defense is by committee. Gary Neal's played really good defense too. If the young guys learn the system and everyone avoids lazy/stupid Michael Finley type defense this team could be tough to score on in stretches.
    One thing I've noticed about their ability and some of the stuff they're doing defensively, they're looking to create pace and offense a little more of their defense.

    Blair has a real knack for getting steals and deflections near the top of the key and guys like Hill, Anderson and Temple have shown a bit of a knack to do so as well, and of course Manu's pretty much the king of disrupting passes or passing lanes with steal or deflections. But not only do they have some players with a knack for getting deflections, they're actually looking to shoot the gap more than I can ever remember -- look how often Parker's been trying to shoot that gap when his assignment is looking to receive a pass just outside the 3-point line.

    I'm almost wondering if Pop and Co. just know they're not going to be a dominant enough defensive team in the halfcourt and they're looking to tweak their methods in order to prosper elsewhere -- namely, offensively.

    Can't say I think that's an ideal way to go, if that is the case, but I guess you've gotta do what you believe your personnel is best capable of doing.

    There's no doubt they're looking to create more pace than ever, hopefully they can find a happy medium that allows their defense to be amongst the Top-5 or so (FG%).

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    Well you can't run if you don't get turnovers, but you can't really get turnovers if you don't play disciplined defense. These guys play into each other's strengths.

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    Well you can't run if you don't get turnovers, but you can't really get turnovers if you don't play disciplined defense. These guys play into each other's strengths.
    Nash and the Suns disagree.

    They haven't abandoned their stay-at-home, play-the-percentages defensive style by any means, but there are definitely some subtle changes to what we've become accustomed to seeing.

    Maybe my favorite adjustment that Pop has made with regards to pace is the green light he's given RJ to shoot the pull-up in transition and find early offense. I don't know that there's a better way to both give a player the confidence he needs to be who he is and a way in which to maximize your team's individual talent.

    With RJ looking for and finding early offense in transition, the Spurs take less risk losing his talent in a slower, methodical pace and a halfcourt set.

    That's maximizing your talent.

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