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Found a similar thread. Delete if needed be. I just found out this one...
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...y-lack-of-love
Look at the bottom....is this legit?
Found a similar thread. Delete if needed be. I just found out this one...
Spurs are always listed as an interested team, Teams or Agents just use the Spurs to drive prices up. Really it usually means nothing, and this probably isn't an exception.
I just hope there ain't a connection with the way Blair is playing....
I really hope not, I don't want that idiot anywhere near the Spurs' team.
He is a good defender, rebounder and hustle guy and has great hands. And he is by no means any form an idiot on a basketball court.
Do the Cavs need a big who can shoot some threes?
This. He just has a nose for the ball. He would be a gift to our spurs. He gave us every time we played them.
Two Brazilian big men?
Besides isn't he on about 10mil a yr? who'd be trade for that? No thanks.
the similar rumor was from Oktober. so this is either referring to this old report, or it's a sign that some talks (or acquisition effort from some teams) are continuing.
it wouldn't be surprising, if the Spurs are involved. it just makes a lot of sense.
defense is the problem area of this team and defense is what Varejao offers.
add the good experience with players from south America and the advantage of already having a player from Brazil and it's easy to see that the Spurs like him.
at an average of 8M per his contract is somehow reasonable for a big man of his quality and even the multiple years left are no longer a deal breaker, considering that with the long term re signing of Manu, Tony and RJ the Spurs more or less dumped the option to rebuild via free agency in 2012. (if Tim retires).
question is, what could be the price.
Dice would be part of the package, his contract is the only that can make the numbers work. (question is, does he want to go to Cleveland. could turn into a buy out. he knows the procedure). plus Gee and Temple and the numbers work. but that's just the numbers.
Spurs 2011 1st rounder will be the minimum to sweeten the deal, but likely still not enough. if the Spurs bid against the Blazers, they will need to beat a better package. Blazers will likely offer their 1st rounder plus one or two of their youngsters. like either Babbitt, Johnson, Cunningham. (if they offer Batum they get Varejao in half a second. but Blazers won't do this). Blazers might even offer Oden.
so Spurs will need to add either Hill, Anderson or Blair to that package.
(Anderson might be the most intriguing for them, considering their future needs)
I know, we will read a ton of posts that claim that Dice plus some 2nd rounders are enough, but that's not how it works.
I don't try to say that the Spurs SHOULD do this trade. just that this will likely be the price.
what Spurs should do in any case, is to at least try to acquire Varejao. if they want to compete against this highly impressive Lakers, they will need more size and mobility to get a chance against Gasol and Odom. Varejao is as good an option to go against Gasol as any player in the league.
Last edited by mountainballer; 11-08-2010 at 06:59 AM.
and he is funny. sort of.
The article just says since Ferry was with the Cavs and is now with the Spurs that SA is also a team that MIGHT be interested. There is no way the Spurs do this. First, Splitter is supposed to be Varejao on steroids once he gets into shape and learns the ropes. Varejao has $43 million left on his contract and will make $7.3 million this year. So that means giving up Dice plus fillers. Varejao does not have much offense away from the basket. Dice also showed how valuable he was guarding Dirk last year. This is a non-starter.
This. I wouldn't give up Dice even straight up for Varajao, for a number a reasons, not the least of which being a dirty slap in the face to a guy who deserves to retire a spur and with dignity.
And as butts4rebounding mentioned Splitter is supposed to bring defense in much the same manner as Varajao, once he becomes acclimated. So that brings nothing extra to the table (whereas Dice gives the spurs a precision shooter from the elbows).
Replacing McDyess with Varajao really does nothing to "fix" the main problem, which is quite frankly the defense of the other bigs, named Dejuan Blair & Matt Bonner.
Do you have a name in your mind ?
Although this trade won't have, always good to speculate. Dice is playing well as he can at this stage of his career but obviously Blair is underselling himself but its early in the season lets be honest
I don't see at all Spurs taking another player with a big contract.
Varejao really's got a big contract. It's almost like RJ's contract.
If the Spurs would like to have him I can only see Dice and Bonner get traded...I wouldn't mind that, but the Cavs are not that dumb. They already are in some deep and Dice, who will retire after this year and Bonner don't really help them.
I was gonna say the same thing, talks about varejao start and end with his contract.
Pros: Aggressive hustle defense and good to guard a PF. Savvy player who makes the team better.
Cons: $33 million due in 4 years starting now + Trade Kicker .. Not quite a shot blocker. Was a super flop against Dwight Howard.
I think trading McDyess for Varejao does not make sense. I would trade McDyess only to get a tall shot blocker in return. Or get a super wing who can defend.
I think McDyess still has a lot of value where he plays for us now. Plus as an expiring and attractive contract next year, he would be very useful.
I would most rather want Splitter to come on his own in the upcoming months and strengthen interior defense to keep the Spurs within a chance to win it all; than getting Varejao with the contract that he has.
Would be a good pickup minus the contract but need to keep Dyess on the team. If you get rid of dyess then you still have the same issue with lack of size on the team, Bonner or Blair would have to be moved or else why bother unless it's someone who can really put you in the upper echelon
Do not want...
Looks like it would take a package of Bonner and McDyess to get him according to the Trade Machine. PASS.
If the spurs could manage to find a trade package involving Bonner and/or Blair for Varejao then I think that could put them in that top tier. Having 4 big men who can defend well is exactly what this team needs to go up against LA. What we have now at the 4/5 only amounts to a little more than a shot in the dark of being able to stay in front of, and out work Odom/Gasol/Bynum on the boards.
none says Dice is without value for this team.
he played as good as we could ever have hoped.
question is: is the 36 years old Dice as valuable for this team like an all NBA defense player in his prime could be?
my answer is NO. not even close.
Varejao might not have the strength to guard Howard, but he is exactly the right man to guard Gasol, Odom, Dirk, Aldridge, West, Scola. in other words: all those guys you don't really want to be guarded by old Dice. (especially in a PO series after a long season).
and yes, Tiago will help on defense and he is the more talented player overall. but he won't be able to play the level of defense Varejao offers (maybe in 2 years) AND he will be in foul troubles a lot more than most realize right now.
doesn't Dice have a big trade kicker? Unless he's on board for the trade I don't see the Spurs doing that to him.
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