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    Wizards fan puffing his chest out. John Wall is still a rook. Shut it down, son.

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    I like the comparison to '03 in that it had been 4 years since our first le and people were beginning to openly wonder if the Spurs could do it again. But there are certainly other reasons to be optomistic.

    The 2011 Duncan, if healthy, should be a stronger overall player than Robinson was in '03. David's back really limited him that year. He only managed 7.8 pts and 6.6 RPG in about 23 min per game in the post season. Even though his defense was still strong, he couldn't, and didn't play as much that season as people seem to remember. Duncan, on the other hand, will likely be somewhere around his playoff numbers from the last couple of years of 19 pts and 10 boards. My hope is that Splitter rounds into form and can perhaps be a 10 and 7 guy by the post season and provide some size and youth on the defensive end. Blair, IMO, has more upside than Malik did...we'll see how the season progresses, and Dice is definitely playing a bigger and better role than KWill did in that '03 season. Willis was more of an enforcer in the playoffs, only getting about 5 MPG. McDyess serves a much larger role for the Spurs. Bottom line, Duncan is still Duncan. Even if he's 80% of the player he was in 2003 from an athletic ability standpoint, when the post season rolls around there's no one better, or smarter, that you could have anchoring the paint. I'll go out on a limb and say the rest of the supporting bigmen have the potential to be more productive, as a whole, than what we got out of the aging Robinson, Kevin Willis and Malik Rose. Time will tell.

    And I'd take the 2011 version of Parker and Ginobili, again if healthy, than the 2003 versions. Manu was still figuring out the NBA that year, he hadn't emerged. Parker was blossoming, but his game, too, hadn't developed to the point it's at today.

    Stephen Jackson and Bruce Bowen were really the other two impact players on that 2003 championship team, with some long range shooting (but nothing else) from Steve Kerr thrown in for good measure. Now the Spurs have Richard Jefferson, George Hill, Gary Neal and James Anderson. Offensively, I don't think there's a dropoff at all. In fact, this group probably can, and hopefully will, produce at a higher level. It will just take people getting hot at the right time in the post season. What this team doesn't have, as others have stated, is that defensive stopper. Bruce was a key ingredient to those '03, '05 and '07 championship teams that the Spurs have been missing these last three years. If you can't make stops in the 4th quarter of playoff games you're not going to win very many of them. I don't know how the Spurs will compensate for that, as it seems they've been trying for a couple of years now to figure out how to replace that key component to the championship recipe.

    I think the other major obstacle to the Spurs 2011 championship hope will be overcoming the Lakers, Heat, Celtics and Magic of the league. I think all of those teams are potentially better than what the '03 team had to face. The league has become far less balanced, with just a few elite teams now sitting at the top and a whole bunch of wannabes wallowing at the bottom.

    That being said, I think this Spurs team has great potential, more than any team since that last championship group in '07. If they can gel, and play well together, I think they have a shot a winning it all. Winning an NBA le seems to be half personnel and half matchups and good fortune. So we'll see...should be a fun season.

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    RJ is like Magic but not a good passer or team leader. However both put their ding dong in places they shouldn't go.
    Also could have made the comparison that both are presumably gay.

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    1. Never said Splitter was Ginobili.
    Splitter as Ginobili.
    2. Clearly said in a prior post I should have labeled Duncan as a dual role of himself and Dave, as the wording was misleading.
    And as previously noted, Duncan was the best player in the league in 2003.
    Not so today.

    3. What is your basis on that statement at this point in the season, as all I said is the 2 players both had the SAME ROLE. Come in and shoot the ball.
    The 2002-2003 Stever Kerr had 4 NBA rings, was a seasoned veteran in this league, and you knew he could deliver no matter the cir stances. Gary Neal is a relatively young fellow, getting his feet wet in his first season in the NBA. Neal looks like a good player 6 games into his first NBA season, but he has a lot of threes to make to be on the same paragraph as Steve Kerr.

    4. Who compared Jax to Manu?
    I must have misread. I read again the OP and I see you compared Jax with Anderson. Never mind.

    Try again guy. Maybe start reading, as opposed to looking at letters arranged in paragraphs.
    You need to learn to take critique before telling other people to go read.
    I read your OP, and while I only pointed out the portions I didn't necessarily agree with, it doesn't mean I don't agree with other parts. That's exactly why I said it wasn't necessarily an awfully bad comparison.

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    Also could have made the comparison that both are presumably gay.
    I tend to keep my posts highbrow.

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    I would move Neal to the Jack position and (on a lark) Anderson to Bowen's spot.

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    I like the comparison to '03 in that it had been 4 years since our first le and people were beginning to openly wonder if the Spurs could do it again. But there are certainly other reasons to be optomistic.

    The 2011 Duncan, if healthy, should be a stronger overall player than Robinson was in '03. David's back really limited him that year. He only managed 7.8 pts and 6.6 RPG in about 23 min per game in the post season. Even though his defense was still strong, he couldn't, and didn't play as much that season as people seem to remember. Duncan, on the other hand, will likely be somewhere around his playoff numbers from the last couple of years of 19 pts and 10 boards. My hope is that Splitter rounds into form and can perhaps be a 10 and 7 guy by the post season and provide some size and youth on the defensive end. Blair, IMO, has more upside than Malik did...we'll see how the season progresses, and Dice is definitely playing a bigger and better role than KWill did in that '03 season. Willis was more of an enforcer in the playoffs, only getting about 5 MPG. McDyess serves a much larger role for the Spurs. Bottom line, Duncan is still Duncan. Even if he's 80% of the player he was in 2003 from an athletic ability standpoint, when the post season rolls around there's no one better, or smarter, that you could have anchoring the paint. I'll go out on a limb and say the rest of the supporting bigmen have the potential to be more productive, as a whole, than what we got out of the aging Robinson, Kevin Willis and Malik Rose. Time will tell.

    And I'd take the 2011 version of Parker and Ginobili, again if healthy, than the 2003 versions. Manu was still figuring out the NBA that year, he hadn't emerged. Parker was blossoming, but his game, too, hadn't developed to the point it's at today.

    Stephen Jackson and Bruce Bowen were really the other two impact players on that 2003 championship team, with some long range shooting (but nothing else) from Steve Kerr thrown in for good measure. Now the Spurs have Richard Jefferson, George Hill, Gary Neal and James Anderson. Offensively, I don't think there's a dropoff at all. In fact, this group probably can, and hopefully will, produce at a higher level. It will just take people getting hot at the right time in the post season. What this team doesn't have, as others have stated, is that defensive stopper. Bruce was a key ingredient to those '03, '05 and '07 championship teams that the Spurs have been missing these last three years. If you can't make stops in the 4th quarter of playoff games you're not going to win very many of them. I don't know how the Spurs will compensate for that, as it seems they've been trying for a couple of years now to figure out how to replace that key component to the championship recipe.

    I think the other major obstacle to the Spurs 2011 championship hope will be overcoming the Lakers, Heat, Celtics and Magic of the league. I think all of those teams are potentially better than what the '03 team had to face. The league has become far less balanced, with just a few elite teams now sitting at the top and a whole bunch of wannabes wallowing at the bottom.

    That being said, I think this Spurs team has great potential, more than any team since that last championship group in '07. If they can gel, and play well together, I think they have a shot a winning it all. Winning an NBA le seems to be half personnel and half matchups and good fortune. So we'll see...should be a fun season.
    Always great to see Helicopter Jones around and giving his 2 cents on the Spurs.

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    It's not EXACTLY like '03 but I get what you're saying. This season has me excited.

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    Pathetic. Some things never change.
    well. Everyone has to carry his own cross and ST is yours.

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    Now if they could just play defense like that old team...

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    Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

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    Where is Duncan? We can't win without that Duncan
    Bingo. To be a contender Duncan will have to produce close to 2003 Duncan numbers. And Splitter/Dice must match DRob production.

    I can see the resemblance to those teams cause we have players that don't suck on any position. But way too early to tell.

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    Every year someone compares the current spur team with a former spur championship year team.

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    Every year someone compares the current spur team with a former spur championship year team.
    Only comparisons I mentioned were made to reflect the depth of this team, and the roles of the two. 02' was the most depth of any of our Spurs teams, and at this point, even without Bonner, we look as deep as the 02' squad.

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