DWill showing signs

[in2deep]

#2 PG in the league hands down.

[lefty]

Sons....

[Cry Havoc]

Dude has been a baller from day 1.

[IronMexican]

#2 at best.

[LkrFan]

Dwill dominates the matchup with CP head to head. Plus he is better without the ball than he is. He can post up. He can also rebound better. He is also better in the halfcourt - where playoff games are won.

I don't get why they Dwill doesn't get the props he deserves. I'd take him on the Lakers before I would CP. Perfect fit.

[lefty]

Dwill dominates the matchup with CP head to head. Plus he is better without the ball than he is. He can post up. He can also rebound better. He is also better in the halfcourt - where playoff games are won.

I don't get why they Dwill doesn't get the props he deserves. I'd take him on the Lakers before I would CP. Perfect fit.

D-Will has major cojones

[Quit Hatin']

paul
deron


rondo

thats how i see it. until rondo proves he can be a scoring threat he will never be ahead of these two.

[LkrFan]

^Dwill is a mfer - no doubt.

[Quit Hatin']

ya paul and dwill are close. you probably can't go wrong with either.

[21_Blessings]

Wall is better than Rondo and Rose/Wesbrook/CoachK kicked his ass to the curb for the summer.

[Lakers2009champs]

CP3>>>>DWIll

[Quit Hatin']

his flaws definitely got exposed in the fiba world championships and couple more years those same flaws will be exposed in the nba.

[Killakobe81]

I prefer Dwill, but Paul was making me change my mind a bit early this year. But those that say it's not even close are being ridiculous ...

[sribb43]

I'll take D-Will

[Pelicans78]

I don't think Williams is a better rebounder or better in the halfcourt. That's a myth and a very bad myth. CP3's teams are usually slow-paced and halfcourt based. The Hornets have never been an uptempo team with CP3.

[TheSpursFNRule]

1. CP3
2. Rondo
3. DWill

[tlongII]

I'd take DWill over CP3. He's more durable.

[LkrFan]

I don't think Williams is a better rebounder or better in the halfcourt. That's a myth and a very bad myth. CP3's teams are usually slow-paced and halfcourt based. The Hornets have never been an uptempo team with CP3.

You are right, CP is a slightly better rebounder. But let's see how they stack up statistically so far:

Points
CP - 17.9ppg
DWill - 20.3 ppg

Rebounds
CP - 5.4 rpg
DWill - 5.0 rpg

Assists
CP - 9.9 apg
DWill - 9.7 apg

Head-to-Head

DWill - 14 Ws
CP - 4 Ws

So by my count, DWill wins.

[Pelicans78]

You are right, CP is a slightly better rebounder. But let's see how they stack up statistically so far:

Points
CP - 17.9ppg
DWill - 20.3 ppg

Rebounds
CP - 5.4 rpg
DWill - 5.0 rpg

Assists
CP - 9.9 apg
DWill - 9.7 apg

Head-to-Head

DWill - 14 Ws
CP - 4 Ws

So by my count, DWill wins.

That will change this season. CP3 did defeat him last season at Utah in their only meeting. Expect much of the same this time around. I would be shocked if the Hornets don't get the better of the Jazz this season. I mean seriously, look at Kirilenko's haircut.

[redzero]

Dwill dominates the matchup with CP head to head.

lol head-to-head

Plus he is better without the ball than he is.

Based on what?

He can post up.

And yet he can't score more efficiently than Paul.

He can also rebound better.

In your alternate reality, the one who gets fewer rebounds is the better rebounder.

He is also better in the halfcourt - where playoff games are won.

Nope.

I don't get why they Dwill doesn't get the props he deserves. I'd take him on the Lakers before I would CP. Perfect fit.

No, not really. But I know Lakers fans have this love affair with D-Will.

[LkrFan]

lol head-to-head

He beasts him head-to-head. 14-4 to be exact.

Based on what?

Based on the fact that every body is made a passer in Utah's system, yet DWill is a mere 0.2 apg away from beasting him. Think about that if you can. Here is a hint: Jazz average 24.4 apg to Hornets 22.6 apg. They are perennially top 5 in apg, yet DWill still gets his 9-12 apg.

And yet he can't score more efficiently than Paul.

He just lit the Magic up for 30 on 8/19 shooting. You were saying?

In your alternate reality, the one who gets fewer rebounds is the better rebounder.

You make it sound like CP is a triple double waiting to happen with his gaudy rebounding prowess.

Nope.

Did you not just see him abuse Nelson? He does things like that to midget PGs like CP. That's part of the reason why he dominates the matchup head to head.

No, not really. But I know Lakers fans have this love affair with D-Will.

And with good reason. CP is like LeHype. He dominates the ball. If you take him away from the ball he is useless and so is his team. The Jazz play a system, like the Lakers play a system. On both teams every body is a passer. Every body is a threat. Teams like the Hornets will falter because they are too dependent on ball dominant players like CP. Now CP is nice, I just prefer bigger guards that can do it all without necessarily dominating the ball. DWill would be nice in any system. Especially the triangle.

[Pelicans78]

You really have it all wrong LakerFn. Hornets in the past basically ran the pick n roll with CP3/West or CP3/Chandler. Now they run a motion offense with ball movement to help avoid traps and give CP3 and West more spacing. Plus, Belinelli is a good ball-handler as well allowing him to create or shoot if wide open. Finally, CP3 can score from the perimeter as well if needed. This is a much more balanced Hornet team and its showing since they don't need West and CP3 to be great every game.

Again even if D-Will is a better player than CP3, it doesn't matter as long as the Hornets as a team are better.

[redzero]

He beasts him head-to-head. 14-4 to be exact.

I'm waiting to see a point.

Based on the fact that every body is made a passer in Utah's system, yet DWill is a mere 0.2 apg away from beasting him. Think about that if you can. Here is a hint: Jazz average 24.4 apg to Hornets 22.6 apg. They are perennially top 5 in apg, yet DWill still gets his 9-12 apg.

So? Chris Paul has way higher asst%. And lol at you using only this season.

He just lit the Magic up for 30 on 8/19 shooting. You were saying?

You're using one game as proof? This is too funny. And he wasn't that efficient anyway.

You make it sound like CP is a triple double waiting to happen with his gaudy rebounding prowess.

No, it's just that you claimed that Williams is a better rebounder--which is wrong. Period.

Did you not just see him abuse Nelson? He does things like that to midget PGs like CP. That's part of the reason why he dominates the matchup head to head.

1.) He doesn't dominate anything. He barely plays better in head-to-head matchups.
2.) Head-to-head doesn't mean .

And with good reason. CP is like LeHype. He dominates the ball. If you take him away from the ball he is useless and so is his team. The Jazz play a system, like the Lakers play a system. On both teams every body is a passer. Every body is a threat. Teams like the Hornets will falter because they are too dependent on ball dominant players like CP. Now CP is nice, I just prefer bigger guards that can do it all without necessarily dominating the ball. DWill would be nice in any system. Especially the triangle.

Who said that Chris Paul can't play in a system? Chris may dominate the ball, but he is more efficient even though he holds on to it longer.

You just resorted to using every single cliche possible. You claimed that head-to-head means something (even though I have never gotten a reason why 4 games in a season should count more than the other 78). You claimed that Deron Williams is a better rebounder, which has never been true. You claim that he can post up, which doesn't mean when Paul is the more efficient scorer--regardless of your one game sample size.

EDIT: Oh, you forgot to claim that "Deron is a better shooter" and "Deron is bigger and therefore a better defender."

[HarlemHeat37]

You aren't familiar with LkrFan's arguments, are you?..

He uses so many cliches and general statements, and then when you prove him wrong(which is always), he somehow spins it into something re ed, possibly in an attempt to confuse and make you forget about what you were talking about(although he's not this clever, tbh)..

[HarlemHeat37]

BTW, the system argument can work both ways..

Williams' off-ball game consists mainly of catching/shooting off of screens, which he does very well, one of the best in the NBA, I'll give him that..he definitely has that advantage over CP3..

However, you can't really say that Paul can't play off the ball, because he never does..I can argue that you can't really use that against Paul, because he has never played for even a decent offensive coach..

Byron Scott's Nets teams were always below average/bad offensive teams(they ranked 17th, 18th, 24th, 25th in offense)..he has no history of being able to coach offensive teams..

Paul is a more efficient shooter than Williams, despite the fact that Paul has around 15% of his shots assisted, which is just a ridiculous number(one of the lowest in the NBA, if not THE lowest), compared to around 50% for Williams..pretty crazy..

The post-up argument is silly too..Deron Williams' post-up offense only took up 4% of his overall plays last year..is 4% of your shots really relevant?..he obviously has the advantage there, but how is it relevant?..


Saying Deron is better than Paul in the halfcourt is just too much..

So far this year(and you can say this for any other year, too), Chris Paul is rated as the #1 pick and roll player in the NBA..his team scores on 59% of the p&r plays he is involved in..

Williams is nice too, but his isolation and p&r numbers aren't that close to Paul's so far this season..

Another thing..the Jazz and Hornets are actually both tied for 23rd so far this season in fast break points, so it's not like one team is running and getting easier points than the other..