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    Like I said, it is a concern if it is costing near a total of $200 million. I agree we want to show up are a rich country. , an idea of the White house was to be a grand setting.

    I'm curious why you would possibly defend such spending.
    Is pointing out the absurdity of the projected cost the same as defending it?

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    Like I said, it is a concern if it is costing near a total of $200 million. I agree we want to show up are a rich country. , an idea of the White house was to be a grand setting.

    I'm curious why you would possibly defend such spending.
    I'm saying the cost is irrelvant. You've done nothing to show me otherwise. Ok, I get it. It's expensive. Lots of things are, WC. You've got to make a case for cost/benefit before you can condemn the spending in question. You've not done this. When you finally are able to, then maybe, I'll either defend the spending or I might agree with you. But the fact remains, you can't and neither can I. That metric doesn't even exist and any judgement of the spending as bad or excessive goes right out the window.

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    everyone read this and stfu already!!!

    debunking the myth: The cost of obama's trip to asia

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/politics/11/...ex.html?hpt=c1

    (cnn) -- it's a story that originated from a single, unnamed sourced in india -- but it quickly gained momentum, spreading like wildfire among critics of the obama administration in the united states and eventually, the airwaves.

    The claim: The united states will be "spending a whopping $200 million per day" on president barack obama's trip to asia.

    That's roughly the amount the federal government spends each day on the war in afghanistan. The figure has been dismissed by the white house as "wildly inflated."

    what's more, the claim doesn't appear to hold water.

    The former chief of staff for george w. Bush told cnn's anderson cooper in a thursday interview that it doesn't pass the "sniff test."

    "it doesn't to me, but i think the white house is appropriate in saying they don't talk about what it costs for the president to travel," said andrew card. "we want our president to be safe wherever he goes. I can't imagine it would cost $200 million a day.

    "if it costs anywhere close to that number, the president should be asking tough questions of the defense department and the secret service and the state department. But he should also be paying attention to keeping his entourage as small as credibly possible and still do the job that he has to do for the country as he travels."

    while the white house has not released specifics on the cost of the trip, citing security concerns, white house spokeswoman amy brundage has said, "it's safe to say these numbers are wildly inflated."

    those numbers, according to republican rep. Michele bachmann, are: $200 million a day, $2 billion total, 34 diverted navy ships, a 2,000-person presidential entourage, and 870 hotel rooms in india.

    "and these are five-star hotel rooms at the taj mahal palace hotel," bachmann told cnn's "ac 360" wednesday night.

    Pressed by cooper to back up her numbers, bachmann said, "these are the numbers that are coming out in the press."

    the press she was referring to is the press trust of india, one of the largest news organizations in that country. Its source for tuesday's article on the cost of obama's trip was based on a single anonymous source: "a top official of the maharashtra government privy to the arrangements for the high-profile visit."

    the press trust article was picked up by the drudge report and other sites online and quickly made its way into conservative talk radio, sparking outrage by the likes of rush limbaugh, michael savage and others.

    The white house and pentagon have fielded questions about the indian report and have dismissed the claims in the article.

    "i will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we're deploying 10 percent of the navy, some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier in support of the president's trip to asia," pentagon spokesman geoff morrell told reporters this week. "that's just comical. Nothing close to that is -- is -- being done."

    while the exact cost of obama's 10-day trip to asia is not known to the public, an examination of similar presidential excursions in the past support the likelihood that the $200 million-a-day figure is exaggerated.

    For example, an 11-day trip by then-president bill clinton to africa in 1998 involved about 1,300 people cost $5.2 million a day, according to the federal government accountability office, which adjusted for inflation.

    Obama's trip, which kicks off friday, is intended to expand export markets and strengthen security cooperation in what he considers a region vital to u.s. Interests.

    The trip to india, indonesia, south korea and japan encompasses a g-20 summit, an asia-pacific economic cooperation summit, major holidays in india and indonesia, and bilateral talks with chinese president hu jintao and at least five other leaders, as well as four presidential news conferences.

    It's all part of an administration focus on asia as a strategic region in the 21st century, said ben rhodes, the deputy national security adviser for strategic communications.

    The president's itinerary in india includes a speech to the indian parliament, a state dinner and a wreath-laying at the grave of indian independence leader mahatma gandhi.

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    Mic e Bachman has to be the stupidest ing in Congress, which is a of an accomplishment.

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    Yeah - she's pretty special. If she gets a leadership position just LOL.

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    So what's the verdict, Yonivore?

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    I have to double-check my Intel Blogs, but sources say the actual total was somewhere closer to 100 billion. Obama rode on a gold plated elephant through a 600 mile underground slip-n-slide to play bocce ball with his high school friend on day 6, which added a significant amount to the final bill.

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    I haven't read any news stories denying those numbers, scott, so they obviously have merit.

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    I haven't read any news stories denying those numbers, scott, so they obviously have merit.

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    How the does Yoni's post even make sense?

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    How the does Yoni's post even make sense?
    Obscure election reference of which you obviously lack knowledge. It's okay.

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    Is this obscure reference meant to somehow mask the fact that you're a liar?

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    Is this obscure reference meant to somehow mask the fact that you're a liar?
    Oooooh! A multi-thread attack.

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    I know, it's a pain... Maybe you could keep all your bull in a single "What is Yonivore Pretending to Believe Today" thread and make it easier on all of us. It's really a win-win as I see it.

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    I know, it's a pain... Maybe you could keep all your bull in a single "What is Yonivore Pretending to Believe Today" thread and make it easier on all of us. It's really a win-win as I see it.
    How you "see it" doesn't concern me.

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    Yoni basically post threads because he likes to hear himself speak.

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    Yoni basically post threads because he likes to hear himself speak.
    Actually, y'all are far more entertaining than I am. Dance monkey, dance!

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    Who do you think you're fooling? When you repeatedly have to tell people you don't care what they think you're not saying it to convince them but yourself. I can almost set my clock by how soon you will be posting to someone that you don't care what they think.

    People who truly don't care what others think don't spend so much time saying it outloud.

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    How you "see it" doesn't concern me.
    I'm not concerned with concerning you, I just think you should consider it. Think of how easy it would be to completely change the subject and direction of the thread every time you're called out or proven wrong. You can manipulate it however you'd like! It's really a compelling idea. As I see it.

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    I'm not concerned with concerning you,...
    And, still, you try to concern me with whatever followed that I didn't read.

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    Who do you think you're fooling? When you repeatedly have to tell people you don't care what they think you're not saying it to convince them but yourself. I can almost set my clock by how soon you will be posting to someone that you don't care what they think.

    People who truly don't care what others think don't spend so much time saying it outloud.
    Do I care what you're saying or am I just getting you to continue posting?

    Go back to any thread you've started and see if I've ever cared enough to post. There probably be a few but, for the most part, I stay in threads I start and to which you've responded.

    No, I don't much care what you say. Now, keep dancing.

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    "What is Yonivore Pretending to Believe Today"

    The more I think about it, this would be a great blog. Maybe you could even get advertisers. Does Goldline advertise online?

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    "What is Yonivore Pretending to Believe Today"

    The more I think about it, this would be a great blog. Maybe you could even get advertisers. Does Goldline advertise online?
    Go for it! Kind of like " My Dad Says," right?

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    Do I care what you're saying or am I just getting you to continue posting?

    Go back to any thread you've started and see if I've ever cared enough to post. There probably be a few but, for the most part, I stay in threads I start and to which you've responded.

    No, I don't much care what you say. Now, keep dancing.
    mmk

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    That's right, mmk.

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