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    I wouldn't be at all surprised if military jets followed the contrail after multiple panic reports of a missile.

    Still, Occam says it was a plane.

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    That ain't no airplane. I've seen airplanes and that ain't no airplane.

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    Why not? They had aircraft carriers.
    That weren't supposed to be able to get close enough to launch without detection.

    See a pattern here?

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    military jets train here all the time......all the time.

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    That weren't supposed to be able to get close enough to launch without detection.

    See a pattern here?
    What would have detected them?

    For someone not saying it was the Chinese, you sure are saying it was the Chinese.

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    What would have detected them?
    They had destroyer pickets and 24/7 air surveillance with PBY-2 Catalinas, plus radar. Pearl harbor was supposed to be "safe".

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    pearl harbor was unprepared.

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    The longer you demand I source an opinion, the more you look like a petty fool trying to make some petty point. It's become a matter of principle. [] If I thought anything in that post required sourcing, I would have sourced it.

    Exactly what in the post... needs verifying?
    Your indirect quotation of intelligence blogs.

    Since you refuse to link them, I'm just assuming they never existed and you're full of bs. Fair enough?

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    They had destroyer pickets and 24/7 air surveillance with PBY-2 Catalinas, plus radar. Pearl harbor was supposed to be "safe".
    The attack wave was picked up on radar. The officer making the call thought they were friendlies.

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    The attack wave was picked up on radar. The officer making the call thought they were friendlies.
    And the air force made the call that it was a contrail from a jet.

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    Chump, I never realized you had such deep faith in the veracity of the US Military/Intelligence community.

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    hey cc, did yoni convince you that it's chinese, or did you convince yoni? lol

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    Your indirect quotation of intelligence blogs.

    Since you refuse to link them, I'm just assuming they never existed and you're full of bs. Fair enough?
    I'll tell you what I told the others, what you assume or think doesn't concern me.

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    hey cc, did yoni convince you that it's chinese, or did you convince yoni? lol
    LOL I don't really think it was the Chinese but I still like to argue.

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    LOL I don't really think it was the Chinese but I still like to argue.
    you better be careful cuz yoni's shakin in his boots.

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    And the air force made the call that it was a contrail from a jet.
    No, the officer was told a group of B-17s was coming in from the mainland and that's what he thought it was.

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    Chump, I never realized you had such deep faith in the veracity of the US Military/Intelligence community.
    Don't need to take their word for anything.

    Looks like a plane and this precise thing has happened before in the same area -- and it was a plane.

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    I wouldn't be at all surprised if military jets followed the contrail after multiple panic reports of a missile.

    Still, Occam says it was a plane.
    That was talked about in the youtube I posted. The military jets flew over the area and said they didn't see anything unusual. As the physicist pointed out there wouldn't be anything unusual from their vantage because they were looking down and would only see an ordinary horizontal contrail of an airplane.

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    High clouds, like contrails, look thicker at sunset due to the angle of the sunlight hitting them and refraction by the atmosphere. This is highly common and makes for better sunsets. On many colder and clear days in South Texas and New Mexico the western sky will get cloudy at sunset (or basically late in the day) because of this yet you'll have a full sky of stars after sunset.
    That is a possibility, along with camera exposure and background light.

    Still... We shouldn't rule out that it could be a missile or rocket.

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    On the right the "mystery missile". On the left a pic of America West Flight 808 taken 24 hours later traveling the same route.

    http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...?asid=6a12aadf
    Now this may be the truth.

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    I just thought it was interesting and just threw the Chinese angle out there for fun.

    The Japs weren't supposed to be able to bomb Pearl Harbor either.
    The Japs?

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    LOL I don't really think it was the Chinese but I still like to argue.
    Translation: "I really think it was the Chinese, and made that clear within my opening post, but this thread has gone on longer than I anticipated and I lack any supporting evidence, so have decided instead to hide behind the excuse of speculation and/or playing devil's advocate."

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    Oh please...

    It was a WWII reference...they were the Japs then...

    Save the PC card for something important...

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    Translation: "I really think it was the Chinese, and made that clear within my opening post, but this thread has gone on longer than I anticipated and I lack any supporting evidence, so have decided instead to hide behind the excuse of speculation and/or playing devil's advocate."
    Suit yourself. I don't really think it was the Chinese.

    Play nice.

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    Save the PC card for something important...
    Like clowning the NAACP for having the word colored in its name?

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